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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 6, 2003 19:56
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On 2003-08-06 13:09, traveller wrote:
how often do you hear infected mushroom or hallucinogen or raja ram or gms or any other trance artist on radio?
hmmm never?
atleast here..
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Here, in Israel, on every respectable radio station there's psy show. Infected's Birthday single was played alot in the mainstream stations and even got to number 1 in Galgalatz chart (Most listened radio station in Israel).
Man With No Name was signed at a time to Sony and was "asked" by A&R ppl to add some vocals to the tunes in his album, and basically took his artistical freedom on his work. That's the ugly side of commercialism.
Martin Freeland (MWNN) said in interview that it was an ugly experience and that he won't ever repeat the same mistake and hopes that no Psy artist will do it also.
BTW, i personally liked the tune with vocal
Man With No Name - Paint a Picture (On Cream 3 years anniversary Compilation)
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PsyFire
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Posted : Aug 7, 2003 06:49
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MTV should be shut down as well as Sony and all those other annoying companies that rule the international music brainwashing industry!!!!!!!!! |
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le_lotus_604
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Posted : Aug 7, 2003 08:42
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On 2003-08-05 07:39, PsyFire wrote:
More and more trance artists these days try to adapt their music for a larger audience
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do they do it on purpose or they just want to do something else ??
(artists in our scene are so use to change
their name that they could release a "commercial project"
without "offending" their other audience  )
ok, maybe IM is popular, cool for them, I will remember there sets
The One who never copy a CD or download a track can throw a rock 
they also have to live ... at least to make nice tracks for us
anyway trance like we know will never be big
there are too many ideas ... habits behaviors in this scene
marketing and buisiness can not promote (not acceptable or let's say politicaly correct )
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acidonacid
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Posted : May 10, 2005 13:46
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I would like to know what you ppl believe about this.
For me turn to be very commercial.
For you?
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a3k
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Posted : May 10, 2005 14:25
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i actually dunno..all i know is i like mtv 
no kidding..i guess it all depends how u listen 2 it and what do u know about it and what u do about it...i think it is going on 2 directions...one version is trance is a lot of commercialism and people want 2 make a living out of it..want 2 b pop trance stars..no matter where the sound is listened on a city center or a pub, or a bar, wherever...certain aspects on the parties are forgotten..all that matters is dj and 2 speakers...
the other direction is people do like thix kind of life style, and try 2 keep it underground and only reacheble by true lovers of the scene (this where parties happen in dark woods or deserts or in a paradise very far away from city life)...well i guess thix is a litle bit selfish, but from the moment that it became sensational and cool listen 2 trance it had quite an explosion in all directions..music, clothes, listeners..and not all thix things were good stuff 2 happen...cause certain values were forgotten and other values spoke more higher..the comercialism value..money money money.
but my friend donīt bother urself with thix stuff..cause people do have their own opinion and u try 2 change their minds or change the way world goes is very dificult if not impossible..so change your world and have fun!!a lot of fun by doing what u like and respect the others (ideas).
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andrejcid
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Posted : May 10, 2005 15:48
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again, many of these posts are an example of the elitist aspects in our scene.
what makes u so special for an artist to dedicate his creations for your own selfish (& biased) satisfaction, instead of giving satisfaction to many many more ppl, including himself? are those many many ppl any worse or less worthed than ur? or I see....they r not as enlightened I guess
its truely sad how the 'underground complex phenomena 'we' seem to suffer from dictates ppl's opinions and judgements. ppl tend to think for underground as being the ultimate 'place' for quality music. i rather think its a glorified word-game ppl use to justify their actions, music tastes, as well as do drugs. maybe sometime if already set social standards and morals change (or at least liberalise to an extent), this scene could become the most mainstream one.
underground music does not exist. rarely inovative and unique music does, but its not exclussive to the so called 'underground comunity/scene'.
u could have underground events (parties for instance), the music played on those parties however is comercially available (we live in 21st century, almost everything is available to everyone..musicwise).
radiohead are one of the bands that managed to maintain their reputation within the comercial music world for a long time, anything wrong with that? have they compensated for their music 'quality'?wouldnt think so. they were just bloody good and got recognised.
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shahar
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Posted : May 10, 2005 18:43
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Thank you andrejcid for that highly sensible post
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VertigOA
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Posted : May 10, 2005 19:15
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Awesome, another "commercial trance" thread.
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lazy_i
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Posted : May 10, 2005 19:21
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let anybody do whatever he wants- we'll always know who the geniuses are.
i don't give a damn what anybody does as long as they keep it psy. |
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a3k
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Posted : May 10, 2005 19:24
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it is not a matter of elitist thing...
i will give u an example..austronaut..who didnīt dream on becoming one?and how many really have reached there?
but i see your point of view on saying that it can be reached by every kind of people..well it is true..in the reality we (humans)donīt posses anything..it all stays where it came from..but it is like giving something that people will not preserve.and what do i mean by preserve?well for a start the kind of crap in music that is being released nowadays..the stuff people do at parties..(and mean by thix, on thievery, hurting other people etc..etc..i guess we have all tried or lived by situations of that nature..and how many people didnīt thought "i wish these dudes werenīt even here")..and a lot of bad wave was brought by is coming from the underground 2 the mainstream..it is fashion 2 do drugs, it fashion 2 listen 2 trance..it is hip be on the wave..well but the wave soon crashed and some people ideals reguarding thix life style werenīt the bests.only for self pleasure and business..who really lives by the "love on the t-shirt"?
if the scene would became so mainstream what would b normal life?working and marring etc or going 2 parties, producing music etc..?were would b peoples refuge?
excuse me but reaguarding radiohead well they are good, but how many bandz that started in a goodway and maybe u liked listening 2 it at the beggining and then later u just didnīt liked it...
my councern isnīt becoming mainstream...is what peope do with that mainstream..and u have the example on a lot of great artist that had glory tunes, fantastic music, and then became 2 known 2 the public in general and the result is music comin out without sense..just makin it 2 sell.
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andrejcid
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Posted : May 10, 2005 20:09
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On 2005-05-10 19:24, a3k wrote:
how many bandz that started in a goodway and maybe u liked listening 2 it at the beggining and then later u just didnīt liked it...
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many 2b honest. but whats the connection here? deffinitions change, music changes, artists change, I change(most importantly!).instead of banging my head in the wall why i dont like their new music, I may as well have a mission to find what I do like.
there is absolutely no problem to dislike certain music...as long as your arguments are rationally and INDEPENDENTLY justified
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my councern isnīt becoming mainstream...is what peope do with that mainstream..and u have the example on a lot of great artist that had glory tunes, fantastic music, and then became 2 known 2 the public in general and the result is music comin out without sense..just makin it 2 sell.
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indeed! but again, can u justify your observation in a more objective way, without being prejudiced and retrospectively judgemental? there are yet many ppl that could enjoy the music I used to enjoy but consider now as crap(u maybe one of them...not saying u r but u could b).there must b a reason for that+they r not less worthy than I am.
afterall, the same 'bad' things happening in the 'mainstream' music scenes happen in any small (often reffered to as 'underground') scenes, to an extent not big enough to break our blindness.
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i don't give a damn what anybody does as long as they keep it psy
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the thing is lazy_i, our ('psy ppl') deffinition of psy does not include 'whatever anybody does'. if no bum bum tzz bum squeaaaaak bumtz...no psy. yes, it is as sad as it can get. psychedelic in this scene has been given a technical/material meaning (most of the times). go in the NEW TRACKS section and famliarise yourselves. bout a third of the posts include something like 'u need to make that sound at 5min more psychedelic....'hence many ppl have already predifined meaning of psychedelia(am I missing out something here??). I guess however, what they mean is add more FX for instance, but does that make it b more psy? if u do think so go and listen to TV adverts!
no offence here, but what ur saying seen from my perspective is:
'I dont give damn what everybody is doing as long as they produce music analogous to my taste'
our tastes r highly biased tho....
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acidonacid
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Posted : May 11, 2005 00:06
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My problem guys is not the sound of mucic.
When I say commercial I mean all this stuff about entrance at the partys or when I leasend about the budget need a dj to play some cd at a party.
All this I have in my mind when I talk about this.
I try to keep the underground spirit with my friends when we take our sounsystem go to a forest and play our music and discover the universe.
This is psychedelic for me for example.
On the other way go to a club and pay 35! euros for entrance and 5 euros for a bottle of water is the hard AWAKENING for my psychedelic dreams.
this make me think some thinx differend..
I am little bit comfused and my english is not the best to explain you what about but think..
I feel like a psytrancer and my activities are also.
But sometimes I feel disapointed because psytrance for me is not only the music but the way of life and the culture. How many ppl care about this real?
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Yuli
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Posted : May 11, 2005 02:07
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Ok so here is another interesting angle for this debate.
Lets see what commercialism really means.
Commercialism means to get to as much ppl as u can with your art, AND to sell that art to those ppl. I guess that if u split your potential customers into three age groups, lets say
1. 11 - 20
2. 21 - 30
3. 31 - 40
Most probably ( never made a research tho ) that the first group is the 'buying' group of all the rest. Why? Kids take money from their parents and buy music. Kids have posters of their idols and many times they wouldnt just download the music they will actually buy it. As time goes by the two other groups of potential customers stop buying music since they are too busy surviving their private life and get well enough with the internet connections that get better and better. The two other groups are old enough not to idolize certain artist and therefore there is no need for merchendise and original CD's etc...
What is my point then?
Trance music in last two years made a huge turn towards the first group. You can see it very easily and hear it very easily as well. Now I, for one dont like that trend too much. Why again?
Because this music, as I believe is not for children. I totally dislike the school parties with famous artists etc.. I really hate seeing 14 year old girls wasted on E, and I think that in their age it is very important to listen to Brittney ( or Bob Dylan for the smartasses ) and get the messages from the spoken word. Synthetic music as its very psychedelic, its also very cold and very intricate, it should stay as it was once 'music for adults' - I really believe in it.
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a3k
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Posted : May 11, 2005 11:41
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andrejcid i wasnīt speaking about musical tastes everyone has itīs own, i was speaking about the bandz that in a way or another change their sonority 2 come abroad a bigger audience..which will mean more gigs, more released music (there is a demand on creating music..and when u must fulfill that demand..well sometimes something must pay the price on it..and somestuff is lost)...see i am trying 2 show that bandz do change, but some change not for my musical taste, or your musical taste, or anyone elses taste, or their own..they do it cause it will bring the so called "juice"...and thix means: when maybe in the past u had albums released in a short period of time but people who participated on them were trying 2 create something special...create it for the head, for the soul, now an artist produces one or 2 good albums and then just releasing cause then it will make them noticed..is it bad?is it good?well it can b for the artist, but not for the real lovers of the scene.
and about the worthy people that have the same right 2 party etc etc...yes it is true..but when u see some people killing something u like so much u canīt stop feeling than on your skin..like it killing some part of u..
yuli as pointed very well one aspects..i see it kind like him...when people donīt know what they are doing, what are consuming..most of them are there cause they friendz said it is cool..so letīs do what all these people do..they act like robots, i canīt imagine nothing more frustating than being in a place without nowing what 2 do.
it is like being on a football team and u are centermidfielder and u dunno what to do in the match..or u could b steward and still maybe u couldnīt have a clue on what 2 do...all people in thix scene are responsible for their little participance.
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a3k
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Posted : May 11, 2005 11:50
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On 2005-05-11 00:06, ACIDONACID wrote:
But sometimes I feel disapointed because psytrance for me is not only the music but the way of life and the culture. How many ppl care about this real?
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not many.2 some it is only music.2 others is a life style.if it is your case (life style), preserve it my friend!not many people have strong beliefs about what they are trying 2 do with their lifes.what guidance they are willing 2 give 2 their life.
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