willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 06:52
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On 2011-08-12 06:40, Full Maya wrote:
btw for who do you want to scientificaly prove that fast darktrance cant be used for trancing coz it s physicaly impossible ?
you want to prove for all the people around that world that loves dark trance ( including me ) and thinks it induces a trance state that they are wrong and tripping ? lol
or do you want to prove it to goa gil ?
or kindzadza ? or wtf i just cant undestand hahaha
I don't need to prove it to anyone, I am simply curious. Again - I am not seeking this information to prove to the internet or to anyone that dark psy sucks, in fact it has nothing to do with dark psy...it just so happens that darkpsy is one of many music styles that do not trance me out.
I think goa gil plays terrible music and cannot mix. I don't respect what he does.
Kindzazda doesn't appeal to me. From an engineering/production point of view its well constructed but I don't like it, it doesn't make me dance, it doesn't trance me out.
As for people at dark trance parties...well, I haven't been to every dark trance party in the world so I can't say. It may be my selection bias speaking here, but most of the time there's a lot less dancing at dark parties - but a lot of shuffling around in one spot. More often than not the dancefloor feels less connected to me, more like everyones struggling to keep up to the music as they get assaulted with noise.
How many times have you had an ecstatic group experience where you feel as if the whole dance floor is sharing a communal vibe and elevating everyone? I've seen and felt it, but never at a dark trance party.
If you can trance out on it and have fun with your community through listening to it then that's all the 'proof' you need - but it just doesn't do it for me and I know I am not alone.
Do you think that there is a difference between trance music and party music?
I think darkpsy, happy hardcore, breakcore, overproduced full-on is more party music than trance music - if you'll pardon my massive generalization.
Does anyone have any good links for documentaries on trance historically? Like ancient cultures and the way they construct the rhythms that accompany their trance dance ceremonies or anything at all related to the human brain in a state of trance? Would be much appreciated
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 09:23
i got a new album of 130-150bpm tracks that some consider dark and some consider goa (no idea why would be considered either but ok)... i agree that the "psy" sound has drifted too far from the clever zone to the baaaa zone, but personally that is part of what drove me to make the new album, sorta like to prove it can be mysterious and clever without being 190bpm and overwhelming.
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 17:32
I shared a dancefloor with lots of people who all share the same trance induced state with high chaotic music. Just last weekend actually...
Set and setting...if you pick A person to blow shit sideways at a full on party (circa gemini 2010) then it's going to stick out like a sore thumb and people will bash you (publicly for weeks)
if it's performed in a proper location with the right vibe and the right intention then you can get higher than most TOGETHER...OFF THE CRAZY CHAOTIC NUTSO MUSIC.
It's true. It's proven. Stay in the nest if you are scared to fly.
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 18:51
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Stay in the nest if you are scared to fly.
i actually really kind of hate this mentality. i mean, oh no, someone doesn't like the style of music you play. oh no. it's a tragedy.
look, this is just music, when it gets down to it, trance states or not. it's not like someone is worse than you or incapable of "flying" if they don't like your 180bpm crazy stuff.
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 19:35
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On 2011-08-12 17:32, cinderVOMIT wrote:
It's true. It's proven. Stay in the nest if you are scared to fly.
I was totally with you until you posted this. I'm happy for people who can have fun with their community and trance out, be it to juggalo music, heavy metal, 190 bpm terror-core or fluffy unicorn trance.
I am not so happy when someone says 'oh - you don't like the music I play? You must be very timid and close minded and afraid to venture out of your box' - maybe I just don't like it?
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 20:24
haha for such strong opinions my one statement can't weigh that much i do not think.
All i'm trying to say is if you don't like it, then you don't, and that's that Nobody is forcing anyone to listen to it one bit.
I'm not saying or projecting anything like "you must be very timid and close minded and afraid to venture outside of the box etc etc" at ALL.
not fair for me to judge anyone on their personal taste in music, nor does anybody else bare that right.
rock on
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 20:25
i'm pretty sure this same statement has been made in multiple threads anyway...another pointless over exhausted topic taking up space
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 20:48
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On 2011-08-12 17:32, cinderVOMIT wrote:
Stay in the nest if you are scared to fly.
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On 2011-08-12 20:24, cinderVOMIT wrote:
All i'm trying to say is if you don't like it, then you don't, and that's that Nobody is forcing anyone to listen to it one bit.
Maybe its just the toneless nature of text on the internet, but the second statement seems to be backpedaling in contrast to the first one.
Regardless, I agree with you that it is not fair to judge anyone on their personal taste in music - a discussion in that vein is not going to accomplish anything at all.
However I do think intelligent discussion can be had on the topic of what rhythms and tempos induce a state of trance in a human being, what the brain looks like and acts like when in said state of trance, how a state of trance differs from a state of 'woo this is cool music and I'm really high on acid' - which for me is what I see more often than not at *every* dance party be it fullon or goa or dark.
Is it not true that 'traditionally' (as in, ancient cultures doing trance rituals) people would have to dance for extreme lengths of time to enter that state?
When I look back at my most special dancefloor trance experiences one of the common things they share is that I had been dancing for hours and hours and hours - to the point of exhaustion and beyond. If I can't keep up with the music or I have to exert myself beyond my comfort level then I never reach this space, or at least it is considerably harder to achieve.
From a dancer's perspective, this shift occurs ~150 BPM - I know that I can sustain dancing at 145 inevitably if I'm well rested and energized, but I have to work to keep up with 150 - so if music north of 150 is played for more than a couple of hours I am forced to take breaks, which results in less of a window for a trance experience. For me. I am curious as to other people's experiences with this. If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 22:14
anyone thought of trying to get a darkpsy stage set up for GOTJ? i'm not kidding, i think it would be a great audience for this style of music
http://soundcloud.com/rob-vector
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 22:30
what is GOTJ?
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dreadieg
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 00:12
here ya go
also, i'll get down with anyone. except fucking juggalos.
i just….i just cannot stand icp….
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 04:35
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what is GOTJ?
gathering of the juggalos. happening right now, actually. people talk a lot of shit about it, but i watched a documentary on this festival and it actually seems like its a pretty cool time if you can get into that sort of thing.
http://soundcloud.com/rob-vector
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 09:38
if you can get into that sort of thing, i suspect you were born with fetal alcohol syndrome, or are currently either addicted to meth or have an iq of somewhere around 8 or 6…..
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Posted : Aug 13, 2011 13:36
Darkpsy at Gotj, wel maybe it would work.. Energetic music and alternative, they probably have some rave event allready (I would think, never been there),..
But let everyone get their kicks, from what you feel is the right for you. For me fast paced tempo and insanity brings me out of this world thats 4 sure
