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Too chaotic darkpsy is no good!
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kazuku
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Posted : Aug 9, 2011 01:15
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More chaotic psy has a different way of inducing trance, imho. It all depends on the mood you are in, some of it is not so good for home listening, but at 4 am on some floor, it does its job in its own way, (imho).
I like all kinds of psy, and have had some great dancing experiences on faster, more chaotic sounds - Kindzadza for example. Different way of trancing and listening. One time I was on the floor for hours and hous standing still and just surfing to the soud with my upper body....was fun 
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PSYDUDE
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Posted : Aug 9, 2011 07:50
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On 2011-08-08 15:06, Axis Mundi wrote:
This track is totally where it's at. The speed is beyond ridiculous, beyond ludicrous.... it's.... GONE INTO PLAID!
Obnoxiously fast trance with humor... it doesn't get any better than this.
http://soundcloud.com/datavore/datavore-everythings-gone
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WOW XDDD made me LOL so hard bro great track |
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Aug 9, 2011 16:10
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On 2011-08-08 15:06, Axis Mundi wrote:
This track is totally where it's at. The speed is beyond ridiculous, beyond ludicrous.... it's.... GONE INTO PLAID!
Obnoxiously fast trance with humor... it doesn't get any better than this.
http://soundcloud.com/datavore/datavore-everythings-gone
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Yah man
This one is too much fun 
The last bass change is off the hook mate
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Aug 9, 2011 16:14
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On 2011-08-07 10:40, Pavel wrote:
If it's too loud you're too old
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syntesis
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Posted : Aug 11, 2011 17:33
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On 2011-08-07 06:42:40, consciousness wrote:
What's the deal with all this stupid darkpsy with very random noise and all kinds of annoying interruptions to the rhythms flow? It's not trance inducing!
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Totally agree!!!
 Dancers make the party, not Dj´s
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Aug 11, 2011 22:36
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On 2011-08-11 17:33, syntesis wrote:
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On 2011-08-07 06:42:40, consciousness wrote:
What's the deal with all this stupid darkpsy with very random noise and all kinds of annoying interruptions to the rhythms flow? It's not trance inducing!
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Totally agree!!!
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This would be my answer to people like you two:
Whats the deal with all the cheesy melodies, same old build ups and lame copy paste technique in morning music
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Aug 11, 2011 23:15
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OH HEY DEAD HORSE
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Aug 11, 2011 23:18
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On 2011-08-08 23:11, Maine Coon wrote:
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(The smile has to do with Ocelot's attitude towards the "dark" label)
Plus the Forest sub-sub-genre: Atriohm, DoHm.
The founders and their close followers: Parasense, CPC (I think Mubali belongs here too, but I've heard only a couple of his tracks).
Darkpsy-FullOn crossover: Tsabeat, Penta.
The more aggressive/noisy/chaotic stuff (labeled by Basilisk as "psycore") is interesting too and I listen to it out of curiousity, but in small doses (it gives me headaches after a couple of tracks).
There is Darkpsy/IDM crossover by Axis Mundi, which is innovative, interesting and trippy. Unfortunately, some of it has sudden changes in tempo, which don't agree with my stomach for some reason (I am serious). If you don't have this problem, I'd recommend to you his work.
Super-fast, humorous and yet still interesting stuff by CinderVOMIT (or is it Datavore?). He inststs that his music is not darkpsy. But then, so does Ocelot. 
Anyway, there is music I like. There is music you like. There even may be some overlap there. Why complain about the stuff you or I don't like? 
Addition: I liked pretty much the whole "In Plants We Trust" compilation. Also, "Cycle of Secrets" and "Dreamshadow" on Ektoplazm.
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haha main coon - datavore is a project with my friend, and cinder stuff is solo
the track from soundcloud is a datavore tune (album coming!!)
I say my music isn't dark, yes you are absolutely right! The intention behind the music is as light as one can get, at least that one being me. Nothing dark about it. If you interpret it that way, then it's bringing out something dark in you...not me Difference between Ocelot and I, is i'm friendly to everybody
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 00:17
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My main issue with socalled 'darkpsy' is that it has never, EVER induced a trance state in me.
I don't think its physically possible.
Can I enjoy it from a musical perspective? Usually no, but its possible.
Can I dance to it? Usually no, but it's possible.
Can I *trance* to it? Never if it's above ~150, which more often than not it is. A lot of the times significantly above that.
If I'm really high and someone plays good fast trance, I can get a rush from it and dance to it, and it can even get me a bit higher and whatnot - fuck, I can even enjoy it sometimes
However, the frenzy and endorphin rush that you get from dancing to music above a certain tempo is similar to that which you get from excercise. This is vastly difference than the type of rush that you get from continually dancing to music ~130-150 and entering into a hypnotic trance state.
This is why, for me (well, aside from the technical/musical things about most of it that I don't like) - I don't like fast trance music - which some people label as darkpsy - it is self defeating in that, for me, it is literally impossible for it to achieve what I think it is intending to achieve when it labels itself as trance music.
Taste is taste, but I find this to be true of any 4/4 kick with 16th bassline 'trance' music past a certain tempo regardless of whether or not it is pleasing to my ear.
I've been looking into finding material to 'prove' this as I've heard people say things like trance states are all about certain brain waves and those brain waves don't appear when the heart rate is above x tempo, but I haven't been able to find anything that I considering substantial yet - so as of now I'm only comfortable saying this is my strongly held opinion and not empirical fact.
There is a big difference in my mind between music that's super badass and makes you go ohhh damn thats SWEET WOOOOO and music that makes you enter a hypnotic trance state. I find that a LOT of trance (and not only darkpsy) has gone for the former and all but abandoned the latter. If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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vector_0
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 04:07
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 04:10
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But it's so fun to have the same conversation over and over again knowing that no ones opinions will ever change as a result of said conversation!! cmon!
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Full Maya
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 06:33
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On 2011-08-12 00:17, willsanquil wrote:
I've been looking into finding material to 'prove' this as I've heard people say things like trance states are all about certain brain waves and those brain waves don't appear when the heart rate is above x tempo, but I haven't been able to find anything that I considering substantial yet - so as of now I'm only comfortable saying this is my strongly held opinion and not empirical fact.
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haha so you have tried to make a research to prove that ªdarktranceª cant influence people to enter in a trance state ?
haha
what s your trauma with "dark" trance ?
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well look all your dark lovers.... you guys that love dark trance and think that it can take you to a trance state, you guys are wrong coz that dude above found out that there s a wave in our brain that you need for trancin , that s absent when you hear high tempo music...
"Many people would like to destroy the thorn and save the flower, but that is not possible. They are part of each other, and both must keep strong to survive."
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Full Maya
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 06:40
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btw for who do you want to scientificaly prove that fast darktrance cant be used for trancing coz it s physicaly impossible ?
you want to prove for all the people around that world that loves dark trance ( including me ) and thinks it induces a trance state that they are wrong and tripping ? lol
or do you want to prove it to goa gil ?
or kindzadza ? or wtf i just cant undestand hahaha
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 06:42
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You have it backwards. I am simply interested primarily in electronic music that can aid you in achieving a trance state.
In my personal experience that has only happened while listening to particular types of music. When the music is primarily focused on a 'psytrance' 4-to-the-floor kickdrum with a 16th note bassline that 'sweet spot' in the tempo is ~130-150 - it's what makes me dance the hardest, what makes me lose myself...when it gets fast *even if I enjoy it* it doesn't take me to the same space. I am not so much of an imbecile to say that there is no good music produced over 150 - that's just not true.
I am curious as to why this is though - I'm perfectly OK if it turns out to be its nothing but taste but I suspect there's more to it than that.
Many people I've talked to have made mention of different things like brain waves, heartbeat speed. I don't know how much of is is super hippy bullshit and how much of it is real.
Congratulations on reading what you want to hear though, even if it's not remotely close to what I said
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Full Maya
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Posted : Aug 12, 2011 06:45
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oh man sorry.
But i just found it damn funny that you tried to make a research to prove such a stupid and not important thing....
but i guess there are crazies for everything...
xoxo
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