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This is terrible ... SynSUN
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 18:35
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that's the price of a cd man. It's fookin' nothing
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U seem to be a rich guy 
For me it is lot of money, coz at the moment i am just jobbing and i have not lot of money.
So for u it is nothing for me it is more then i need for living one day.
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 18:48
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On 2005-01-28 18:35, EYB wrote:
U seem to be a rich guy
For me it is lot of money, coz at the moment i am just jobbing and i have not lot of money.
So for u it is nothing for me it is more then i need for living one day.
Peace
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Right.. the only money I get at the moment is 420 a month.. and that's what the goverment gives me cause I chose to continue my studies. I haven't got any other incomes. Okay my parent's pay my rent. But any other expenses.. straight off my 420 a month. Yet I manage to waist like 50 a night when I go out on booze. Then again I only do that at weekends and well.. I don't eat fancy reindeer meat.. but if i skip 1 nite @ a club I get to buy like 3-4 cds..
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 19:16
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It's not much that is expensive compared to going out boozing, I agree.
I spent a few 100 euros in a night boozing several times. It's by far the easiest way to burn money without hardly noticing.
I used to use that as a comparasion when thinking about costs of things as well, and I ended up spending way to much money due to that.
Fancy raindeer meat, blasting cream charas all day at 10/gram etc, etc.
I have luckily become a little wiser now, and don't have the finances for it anymore.
And I fail to see how you can eat anything at all if you spend 50 euro every weekend out of your 420.
And even if you don't eat at all you don't get many CD's and make payments for a 2500mhz computer on 20 euro per month for sure
But the fact is that CD sales relate very closely to the price according to statistics, so not everyone have the same sense of economy.
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sWa
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 19:23
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On 2005-01-28 19:16, Spindrift wrote:
It's not much that is expensive compared to going out boozing, I agree.
I spent a few 100 euros in a night boozing several times. It's by far the easiest way to burn money without hardly noticing.
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hehe, They should sell booze with the cd's or maybe drugs with them, maybe that would boost the sells 
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 19:32
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Maybe the album sales were low because it wasn't that good?
After being a long-time Synsun fan I must admit I was disappointed with the album (see the reviews for my full 2 cents). Symphonic Adventures is basically an Infected derivative with a twist and a somewhat unpolished approach to the arrangement. I don't know what kind of market there is for that - obviously not much of one! He would have been far wiser to develop an album featuring the old school sounds of Quazar, Gagarin's Trip, Way to Light, Space Sirens, etc. Those songs were never released but they're simply fantastic - some of the finest examples of Goa trance in the post-millenial age. I think the problem here is not one of downloading, but simply of quality and style.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 09:37
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Excuse me but if a group knows that 30.000 people downloaded their album fron p2p programs then they just make soon another album and upload it on the internet for the price of 1 euro.If from the 30.000 people that downloaded their previous album just the 10.000 buy their new album FOR JUST 1 EURO then the group will have a profit of 10.000 euros which is the price a very very good group gets for signing its new album on a big big label.
In a few words stop posting nonsense numbers in the internet and blaming everything on illegal downloads...
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 12:36
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hehehe
this topic says that Synsyn is terrible?? i will agree.
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 13:34
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I think that the problem that affects Synsun is more related to the scene in general other than only CD sales or downloads...I think that mainstream artists get downloaded the same way, and has not so good sales as well. But they get booked for almost all the great festivals and medium/small parties - that's where they income come from. Here in Japan, every weekend (and sometimes even on work weekdays) you will find a lot of parties with these mainstream guys - which I guess is a cause of complaints everywhere in@the world: same artists, no innovation. I guess that if artists like Synsun would get booked more times, it would make up for the poor sales...and lots of downloads. Any mainstream guy here gets a 5 star treatment (as you can see in the Vision Quest DVD), but less-stream artists rarely get the chance of playing in these big events. And it's not only Synsun that has left the scene because of this problem, there are a lot of other good guys who somehow got disappointed with the situation...
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:26
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On 2005-01-29 12:36, kabooki_cat wrote:
hehehe
this topic says that Synsyn is terrible?? i will agree.
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Philistines!!
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:39
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People who download cds won't buy them anyway.
Really.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:45
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Tris
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:54
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Too bad for SynSUN... But I guess people didn't liked their music. Detox is right : if so many people downloaded their music, there is a big potential there... But I don't know how they get this 30000 dl figures to begging with....
To Lithium : Sure, there is not that much to be done about mp3 download but to make it short, a label need to sell at least 1000 copies worldwide to get is money back and it's not that easy....
Sure, with bigger volume you could lower the price a little bit. But lots of costs, you cant' do nothing about them : printing/burning, transport, handling, post fee from the shop to the final customer.... and distributors/shops want their share (which is just normal)...
So all in all, it's very difficult to sell for less than 10/12 a copy....
And whatever you do, it will always be less expensive to download.
So I guess CDs belong to the XXth century and sooner or later we will have to sell downloadable music and forget about them...
But it's involve a big change in mentality, from the labels, from the distributors, from the customer and the market just doesn't seems to be ready yet....
And if it's 1 a track, it's just too much because there, you don't have all the cost I've listed above and buying the entire album cost about the same price than buying the CD....
In the meantime, Goa-ganges is right, most of the artists incomes will have to come from the bookings, using Cds and download (legal or not) as promotion...
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:58
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On 2005-01-29 15:39, Mike A wrote:
People who download cds won't buy them anyway.
Really.
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Arrrr... Disagree.
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 16:13
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 16:20
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to Tris:
i can see your point of view, but all im trying to say is that if instead of facing the market with a set point of 1000 cds for makin it profitable, labels should think bigger. Instead of 1000 printing they should make 10.000 printing , which wouldnt be 10 more expensive, but lets say 4 or 5 times more expensive. and i bet that if one label would try this they would succed. printing 10.000 copies would make the cost of each cd much cheaper for labels, therefor they could sell the cd at 7 or 8 euros and i bet that anyone getting into a trance store where the majority of the cds are sold at 15 euros, if they saw one they liked for 7 or 8 euros, they would buy it. so instead of labels getting their money from 1000 copies, they would be getting half the money, but for 10 times more copies, makin the profits bigger... this i think would incentivate people to buy cds, which is something that is disapearing more than ever, and not only with trance music. the other i was at my sisters home, and she was downloading from kaasa or some other program like that Radiohead and i was astonished to see how many Radiohead tracks were there!!!! i can assure you that in kaasa there are more Radiohead mp3 tracks than in dc++ psyside hub all trance tracks togheter!!!
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