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This is terrible ... SynSUN
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 16:27
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I mean people who generally don't buy cds and download, they won't buy it anyway.
And this is the majority of downloaders.
Some people buy their cds based on impressions from downloads. But most of the people won't buy it anyway.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 16:36
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Either they could be trying to sell more CD's to get cheaper costs per CD like you suggest Lithium.
The market for trance is just not there though, and no distrubutor will take your 10000 copies if they are not sure that they will sell them.
Another way is to get rid of the distributors and maybe even shops. It's really them who is taking most of the money.
So if the labels was self-distrubuted they would get the same profit by selling a few hundered as by selling a few thousand via a distributor.
With online sales taking off as well, the labels could get a very decent profit per sold track.
Like it looks now the distributors and shops of course want to stay in business, so they will not allow the labels to sell directly many times and try to take more than 50% just for uploading the music to a website.
So the labels have to wake up and be less retrovert and try to influence the future rather than standing by getting ripped off IMO.
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Tris
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 17:11
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To Lithium :
Yes...
But that means paying in advance for 10000 copies...
It's still nothing in the music industry so that won't realy lower the price of printing/burning them.
So it's a big financial risk.... About ten time bigger (say 5 if you want) for the label but there is no way you can make the final price 5 time cheaper....
One mistake (say you sell only 5000) and the label is in deep shit.....
Only the label can cut is profit... The distributors/shops can't really do it. Too many costs stay the same whatever the number of Cds involved... Sure if you sell 100 000 it's an other story but.... So you end up with a 20/25 % bargain... And I'm not sure it can change the whole situation. Who gonna bet the cost of 10 000 copies on that ????...
To Spindrift :
Same thing for direct distribution....
You can't say : "OK, it cost me 2 € per copy to print a CD, I will sell some myself throught my own website for 5 €" because no shops will want to order them from the distributors (They just can't make enought profit on such a small price but fear they won't sell enough if someone else is selling the same stuff half price).
And if you are the only one in the world to sell your CDs on your small website... how can you sell enough ????...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 17:56
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On 2005-01-29 16:27, Mike A wrote:
I mean people who generally don't buy cds and download, they won't buy it anyway.
And this is the majority of downloaders.
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That seems logical.
But the people who download a lot and never buy CD's is very rare.
But according to thr research I mentioned the people who download a lot of music, or as forrester called them "digital music lovers", accounted for 22% of the people in their survey.
But they buy 36% of the music.
So, what you are saying is some vague conception that only exist in your mind, since you have not been able to provide any references to how you actually came to that conclusion.
I trust the research from Forrester more than your personal unfounded conceptions.
@tris
I never said that it would neccessarily be a good idea to sell the CD's for 5 euro.
Sure you should not make it impossible for shops that do want to stock your CD's to have a similar price.
And the reason to not go via a distributor would not be that the shops would not like to get them from the distributors.
So I do not get what you are trying to say.
I'm saying that if you sell the CD's directly to shops and customers you will get many times as much per sold CD, so a couple of hundred CD's sold would easily give the label and artists same profit as selling a thousand.
That's not going around in circles, that's a fact.
I do not currently sell CD's directly to shops, and have very miniscule sales indeed.
But the fact remains that no matter how small my sales is, many people running lables actually have less profit than I have, because you do have to sell 1000 copies to make any profitat all.
Sure they have a bit of turnaround, and the fans is spending quite a bit of money on their products.
But for most small lables we are talking +-0 in the end of it all.
At least in my opinion there is much less need for distributors since it's now possible to sell the CD's without personally running around to shops all over the world.
You might think the distributors still deserve to make more per CD than the label and artists together.
I sure don't.
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Tris
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 18:23
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To Spindrift :
So all in all, you are your own distributor. Might be a good solution. Sure.
What I was saying is (and I know it for a fact from at least 3 different labels) : distributors don't allow you to sell your own CDs at discounted price on your website (they might accept if you do it only in your own country for exemple... but that all...).
So you work with them and their contacts in shops around the world or you work alone with your own contacts.... It's a matter of choice... If you have time and work well, it might be profitable....
But a good distributors is supposed to have a lot of contact and doesn't deal only with your Cds so I suppose he can get a better deal, have more chance to get paid, etc...
So you pay to make the CDs, you do the distribution and some detail sell too... It's quite risky... Good profit if it's work but if doesn't.... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 23:32
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I'm not at all in it for profit myself.
So it's all very laid back on my behalf.
I sell CDR's for people and they can make their own compilations if they like.
From each sold track or CD i give $0.65 to the artists per sold track, regardless it's on CD or as 320k or FLAC downloads.
Basically the idea from my side is just to get the music out there for free, but people will ask for FLAC downloads and CD's so you'll need to charge for that service anyway.
Still IMO, from a business perspective it's needed for the labels to have a proper think about how they like to deal with the immense changes in how people is accessing and using music nowadays.
To cut out links in the distribution chain is generally very profitable when you manage to that.
But I think most trance label owners is too much in the hands of the distributors and shops.
So, the artists will sign up directly to shops if the labels do not make them selfs into shops.
But it seems not many lables owner's actually bother to consider the facts about how the field of business they act in actually is looking or where it's heading.
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 23:57
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On 2005-01-29 12:36, kabooki_cat wrote:
hehehe
this topic says that Synsyn is terrible?? i will agree.
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Philistines!!
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why call me a name? the sunsyn album is terrible like very bad heavy metal music. maybe if they make good music, i will pay $$$ to hear.
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 30, 2005 04:51
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Matter of taste. I really like this album very much 
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sWa
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Posted : Jan 30, 2005 14:50
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Well honestly, imo if he really has decided to stop making trance, or release it, he is right.
The trance buisness is a shit buisness, why do you think IM is getting out of it, they are all right.
I LOVE TRANCE, i live for trance, but its becomming worse and worse, ppl abuse more and more, some ppl havnt got 1 trance cd in there drawer and thousands of mp3 files in there computers, i mean its just so unrespectabel 
Like i have seen dj's mixing with computers and only mp3 files, this kind of behavior makes me really sad
I think its ok to dl, if you buy what you like.
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 30, 2005 15:49
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very lame to stop making music thou just cos it doesn't sell well..
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Hodi
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Posted : Jan 30, 2005 16:03
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On 2005-01-30 15:49, traveller wrote:
very lame to stop making music thou just cos it doesn't sell well..
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that's what i said..... people should make music because they want to make music not money.
u can find "Anything U Want" using the search... |
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sWa
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Posted : Jan 30, 2005 18:49
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of course, but if you want to performe the art of making music, its better to only do that.
And to only do that, you have to make a living out of it.
And maybe he isnt going to stop making music, maybe he just wont release it anymore.
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 14:40
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On 2005-01-28 16:16, EYB wrote:
Absolutly killer album, one of the best albums 2004 for me.
Yeah and even the album art is ultra killer 
But i think this is a fake, why should they close the project? 30.000 is very good success.
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are you retarded or what? the guy is telling us above that they only sold 250 copies, the 30 000 are downloads from p2p, so he didn't get any money for this. next time, read more careful or be quiet. if 30 000 people download their album and don't buy it, of course they lose a hell lot of cash. |
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 14:52
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On 2005-01-31 14:40, chris-t wrote:
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On 2005-01-28 16:16, EYB wrote:
Absolutly killer album, one of the best albums 2004 for me.
Yeah and even the album art is ultra killer
But i think this is a fake, why should they close the project? 30.000 is very good success.
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are you retarded or what? the guy is telling us above that they only sold 250 copies, the 30 000 are downloads from p2p, so he didn't get any money for this. next time, read more careful or be quiet. if 30 000 people download their album and don't buy it, of course they lose a hell lot of cash.
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No i am not, r u?
Pussy, i read carefully. If 30.00 people download the album it is big success for them, 30.000 listen to their music, know them and maybe like their music.
Anyway this message is a fake, who cares, who knows how many downloads?
So what do u want to say?
Btw i decide when i should be quiet or not, a**hole.
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 15:11
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that's what i said..... people should make music because they want to make music not money.
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exactly. i agree with you on this one. if trance is not mainstream people who start makin trance shouldn´t start makin it for money, they should make it for fun. Then if they are really good and get enough luck to get known, they can live out of it.
dumb are the ones who get into this for money. if they want money, start a pop band or something like that..
if they had the chance to realease an album and it didn´t sell, work harder... there are so many bands out there with such good music that still didn´t have that chance, to get a label releasing their stuff... |
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