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This is terrible ... SynSUN
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 11:39
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Quote from a post at the Infected Mushroom forum:
but SynSUN is closed because of piracy.
over than 30 000 people d/l "symhonic adventures" from p2p.
and only 225 CD's was sold in 3 month ;(
RIP, SynSUN.
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i am not kidding.
i am leader of SynSUN and this project is closed now.
Sorry and enjoy our old good stuff.
vax/SynSUN
This is not good news to me, I must have been one of those 225 people who bought their album. I really loved it. And it is a shame that good and original acts like this is pushed out of the scene because of downloaders. It is OK to download in my opinion, as long as you buy what you like.
I don't know if this quote is true or not, but if it is.. Shame on us..
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 12:08
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they can't know how many people dloaded the album thou..
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 12:42
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mmm... I kinda wondered about that my self, and 30 000 is alot, isnt it? Anyway, I still think it's a shame that they didnt get more buying attention 
But if the general people didnt like it, they didnt like it. But does this mean we all have to make Astrix music to survive? hehe..
And still.. Shouldnt SynSUN be booked by festivals, gigs and stuff?
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 15:28
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personally i've never heard of synsun before this thread so can't say much i'm afraid..
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 15:31
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Download some tracks Traveller!! 
(maybe you'll like it and buy their album.. Though I don't think it's your taste Traveller?)
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 15:35
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 16:16
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Absolutly killer album, one of the best albums 2004 for me.
Yeah and even the album art is ultra killer 
But i think this is a fake, why should they close the project? 30.000 is very good success.
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 16:23
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hmmmm
i also have never heard about this one, and i see much more tracks from astrix and chemical crew and others being downloads in P2P and they survive, and i see for sure much but really much more that 30.000...
while people keep fighting mp3 the wrong way, the results will be ZEROOOOO
there is no way people who can downl. tracks for free will pay 15 euros for some record. people used to pay that money before , when there was no internet and no cd recorders availiable to the public...
sooo, or this items are removed from the market, which is impossible, or people have to find another way to seel their music. i think that one thing that could be done, is to drasticly reduce cd prices, since the manufacturing of the cd is something really really cheap, artists get almost no money from the sells, so we have here labels having a monster profict per album. and i really don´t understand how is it possible that labels that more than anyone realise this problem, prefer to have minor sells and selling it expensive, than to sell much more records if they would just for example reduce a bit the price. but no, all we can see is labels complaining about mp3 and i see no reaction or no will to change things as they are.
so for all the labels, if you really believe you can end mp3, you are wrong, if you keep fighting mp3 this way and make nothing to change things, the result will be zero, so you can only blame yourselves for leting things end up this way....
for example, if it has been a bad financial year, and people probably won´t go on holidays, the Hotels drasticly reduce the prices in order to atract as much people as they can. this is how the market works. if you labels haven´t understood this yet... i really can´t see where you are heading to....
the problem actually exists, so don´´t funckin complaint, DO SOMOTHING TO CHANGE IT
cheers
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 17:02
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Astrix & Chemical Crew = Mainstream (in psytrance (..full on anyways and full on = major major mainstream anyways), btw I hate the word for some odd reason, mainstream I mean )
While well I don't know what Synsun would represent, Think of Astrix as Britney Spears and Chemical Crew as Christina and synsun as Saybia. That's the problem.. dloading doesn't hurt the giants..
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 17:42
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Hehehe, I hope it's fake, otherwise I feel sorry for sunsun for their miserable attitude.
Ok, if they happened to get download statistics in some mysterious way prooving 30000 downloads.
All that proves IMO is that no-one liked the CD and therefore no-one bought it.
225 sold copies is a truly miserable figure.
With so many downloads people must have know the CD existed and therefore I would not think it was the label that failed promoting it.
Maybe they did not have proper distibution.
I don't know, but to blame it on downloading is just stupid.
There is a couple of facts that the winchers seem to forget:
1) There is no proven link between downloads and sales, other than that according to research figures the more people download the more they buy.
2) There is a obvious link between CD prices and sales, and CD prices has been comparativly high for quite a few years.
3) Trance is not fashionable like in the mid 90's, so extremly samll sales in this genre can absolutley not be releated to CD's sales in general. Sure trance sell about 1/10'th of what it did about 10 yrs ago. The same is not true for other genres.
A good article about the subject http://danbricklin.com/recordsales.htm
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 18:00
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 18:19
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On 2005-01-28 17:02, traveller wrote:
Astrix & Chemical Crew = Mainstream (in psytrance (..full on anyways and full on = major major mainstream anyways), btw I hate the word for some odd reason, mainstream I mean )
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what i´m trying to say is that its not because people make downloads that artists don´t sell. i know astrix and chemical crew are mainstream, but if you search on any p2p program the artists that you find the most are the ones who sell the most, and this just means that donwloading has nothing to do with low sells, just that, and although these bands are mainstream, and of course mainstream sell more. we couldn´t expect that synsun would sell as much as a maisntream implemented artists on the market do...
now there r many many bands and i don´t know them all, but i´ve never seen any synsun track before this album (maybe they have already released stuff on V.A before), this could be one of the reasons maybe, people didn´t know this band, as me had never heard a single track on any V.A, and people only buy cds today of bands that they really like.why?? cause cds are way too expensive...
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 18:26
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Wel if you ask me cd's don't cost shit. 3 packs of cigarettes or 2-3 beers @ a club, that's the price of a cd man. It's fookin' nothing! Still I admit, I don't buy that many cds.. then again I download even less. I listen to the samples and then decide.. I don't want to fill my flat with crappy cds and imo this scene is full of them.. I only want the cream dela cream ;p
..lately I've been buying some older releases I used to have in mp3 years ago. Haven't had a dissapointment yet ..then again some labels (okay one only ) I buy every single thing they release.. cos for me it's a fact that it'll fooking kick ass no matter what "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Hodi
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Posted : Jan 28, 2005 18:34
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if he stopped making music because he hasn't made any money from his album.. it shows that he has no passion for making music (or at least i think so).
i have heard some of his tracks, some are great and really worth buying.. and i understand his anger because i would be upset too.. but this isn't a reason to stop making music!
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