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PoM
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Posted : Oct 20, 2011 15:46
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if anyone curious about this unit feel free to send me something to process it...
i tried it a bit more ,for screaming leads,i thought it would be better for this i thought it would distort more(haven t pushed it with hot signal yet could be the reason), but it can make synths growl really nice
i find it amazing at warming stuff and add analog mojo,making these painfull transients from itb more pleasant /musical to the ears,it work great on bassline, i think it s gonna work on all source eeven on psy kicks i tried it..if you like big and round t rather than thin and sharp you will like this.
i feel like it need to be used on everyhting cause the dynamic is just not the same, if you use just on one synth line, its gonna feel like all the other sounds miss something .
i think it would benefit from a good analog eq in front too boost /cut frequency one want to distoort more or less , i doubt synths would need much processing after this combo to sit in a mix nicely.. |
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 11:48
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zebra lead pentode middle drive ,there is annoying click the bounce got fucked probably doubt it s the amp attack and the click on the filter...was to lazy to redo.. yeah it can really open up the sound on the side and front to back
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5107801/Cv/Zebra%20Dry%20get%20Warm%20and%203d.aif
might upload a sample if i have time where i punish it with extrem distortion rollin and scratching style |
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 16:57
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i re listened the zebra sample the midi line is really lame made this in 2 minutes to play on the CV but LOL it don t really sound like zebra anymore , it sound way better and real ,it sound like even the filter is analog to me ,i should have bypassed the CV to show the difference. also i didnt really take the time to match both channel carrefully as you can hear but in fact it seems it can be quiet nice to open the sound. |
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 18:44
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loaded a synth, turned 2 knobs and got a smile on my face hhaah its sure possible to get better result when tweaking carreffuly but it was not really needed LOL
this time i added the dry version first 4 bar, they peak aproximatevely the same lol and it s the P1 setting it s not too extreme it s good warmer but i pushed it a little with the overdrive switch (+ 28db) and no other processing than the cv is used
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5107801/Cv/Output%201-2.aif
really great saturator and it s really good compressor too there is no attack release off course but the natural compression is really nice, it can make things sound just like a record, finished polished.. sound need way less processing ,even used subbtly ,with a eq in front, you eq way less your sound and really feel what the eq does,just 2 or 3 db here and there change dramatically the sound ,it get really easier tomake good eq choice.seriously this box is all i was expecting.. even for mastering electronic music it s good but it can be tricky to get left and right chanel spot on, imo if on buy this dont buy the unbalced version, it s more like a 2 chanel mono unit i guess, even with matched pairs on the mastering it can be tricky when you need both chanel to sound 100% identical.
next thing on the list is tonelux EQ it gonna smokeeeee |
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klippel
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Posted : Oct 24, 2011 13:19
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well mate that sounds promising for sure! it does have serious bite there.
i would be really interested in a full mix send through the vulture. only a full mix with percussion really reveals to me what an effect makes to the sound.
i could send something over, but then you might just want to put something through from yourself as it does not matter what it is.. just some dry / wet comparison for checking out the difference it makes. would be sweet 
 http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
"I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons |
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 24, 2011 20:24
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well i tried it briefly on some tune i have to master,but i just scratched the surface i m just understanding the possiblity...it s all about gain staging, input vavle add a little of analog vibe but are on the clean side then you hit the distortion valve .. and then what i love is the output valve that add tickness and weight to the sound(but on full mix it can saturate the low end very fast i used it very lightly, on snare HH OH crash... it totally rocks, can sound a bit like tape sat too, i think some tape have tube amp stage that probably why). send me some stuff if you want to hear i wont be abble to post any full mix since few weeks probably(till i make some music). on full mix it s used very lightly you wont hear it shine like when it s pushed hard specialy on music like psytrance.
it have mojo and anlog goodness that for sure but it s more about suming everyhting into it i think..
everyhting that goes on full mix are usally on the clean side or it change to much the mix , sometimes it s good sometimes not..imo it s not the aplication it will shine the most..though some guys use it on the master while mixing but adding it on a finished mix is abit the lottery i think ,dunno didnt have time to try it much for this. |
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Posted : Oct 24, 2011 21:48
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can t find back the settings i used on tunes man, trying it right now on a techno loop but it the suck the low end i would say under 40 hz.this thing as so much possiblity i need to use recall paper i think .last time it would have sweared it was making it more phat,sometimes i wonder if this machine is not possessed by demons..if it sound the same every time you turn it on...and i would have sweared the bias meters were working in the oposite direction yesterday LOL |
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Posted : Oct 27, 2011 23:51
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 01:41
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i will definelty keep it even if it s expensive for what it does... but man something piss me off, i think i m gonna contact them and ask why it roll off the deep low..maybe they put a filter here to remove dc, the spec say it s flat thought.. +1/-1 db if i remmeber but the wave form on low end stuff definelty look highpassed... strange,maybe mine have a problem..if you could try it with a 808 kick and see if it remove some sub?
the good thing about this is that it cut the low in a very transparent way ,no need to high pass anymore , i have to boost a little insteed cause it remove a bit too much sub damnit..
i sampled a 909 inside out and was wondering why the kick loose some punch on the lowests tunes...i need a good analog eq to boost few db pre or post. |
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 13:58
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On 2011-10-29 01:41, PoM wrote:
i will definelty keep it even if it s expensive for what it does... but man something piss me off, i think i m gonna contact them and ask why it roll off the deep low..maybe they put a filter here to remove dc, the spec say it s flat thought.. +1/-1 db if i remmeber but the wave form on low end stuff definelty look highpassed... strange,maybe mine have a problem..if you could try it with a 808 kick and see if it remove some sub?
the good thing about this is that it cut the low in a very transparent way ,no need to high pass anymore , i have to boost a little insteed cause it remove a bit too much sub damnit..
i sampled a 909 inside out and was wondering why the kick loose some punch on the lowests tunes...i need a good analog eq to boost few db pre or post.
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this is perhaps what saturation/distortion does per se ...
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 14:25
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You can always run the Culture Vulture signal in parallel to the dry signal that has all the bottom end and then put the sum of the dry/effected signals through a compressor to get the distortion + the deep bottom end.
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 15:33
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On 2011-10-29 13:58, Greententacle wrote:
this is perhaps what saturation/distortion does per se ...
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no even when not distorting thing it does that ..i checked the spec it s almost flat till 40hz then it sound it s droping fast to me..i was using the output with no transformer since few days it s less loud so i can push the output valve but it may be the cause of the problem,gonna try with the transformer output ..gonna experiment with driving the transfo input and output too |
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 15:42
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On 2011-10-29 14:25, disco hooligans wrote:
You can always run the Culture Vulture signal in parallel to the dry signal that has all the bottom end and then put the sum of the dry/effected signals through a compressor to get the distortion + the deep bottom end.
Peace out.
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yeah it work great in parrallel gonna try to compress it after yes good idea and maybe eq the parrallel signal with a smile curve.
for psytrance it s not really a issue though as it remove the low end rumble on bass heavy mix,if i want the sub back i need to boost at least 3or4 db around 30/50 hz just to get a idea |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 19, 2012 16:52
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thought i ll update with more details if some readers are intrested in this unit.
about the low end loss ,it haven t been a problem since the firsts days ,might be cause of cabling issu or something in my chain dunno, gain staging maybe..or some vulture setting i rarely use? anyway now i use the transformer balanced output (dunno if it s what made the difference, i shoudl have checked..) on a kick using my ears there is no low end loss and on a analyzer set at 16K resolution bypassing the vulture its flat till 30 hz on the setting i used on the kick (triode, normal level switch gain knob + 6db ,- 10 output switch)
it s not really a issu it seems in most case and can avoid using high pass filters but find it strange at first i experienced big low end loss.. have to check it more in details but from the manual the response is 40 hz /20 khz is +0.5 / -1 db but it s highly dependent of gain staging
now after more use, i find it a bit expensive, if it was costing 1000 euros everyone should be forced to have one then spending more depends how much you like great saturation and warming, the box is very versatile in term of color and offer great control on transient too, i think t s what i would miss the most wihtout that box, how you can affect the transients, it s different than with a comp, it become more hifi and nice , you can almost turn a harsh sounding kick attack into a juicy one.
you can also make everything sound phatter with it, similar to decapitator that is a good alternative for tickening sounds |
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