The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act (HR 1995)
damon
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Posted : Jan 8, 2008 18:54
Taken from another board:
"Although every American should be gravely concerned about this legislation,
it has particular relevance to every artist, creative thinker, activist,
spiritualist, pagan, advocate, vegans and defenders of animal rights,
ex-offender, immigrant, clergy, Burner or anyone belonging to or
self-identifying as an alternative or ³countercultural² type (loosely
defined as actively living in or advocating for an alternative culture that
challenges or renounces the dominant social, political, or economic
system‹such as Burning Man, art collectives, tribal councils, local
regulators, social change coalitions, spiritual and cognitive freedom
communities, and eco-economic reformers).
To provide context, under this act, it would be legally permissible to shut
down Burning Man Œ08 under the auspices that it fosters
³radicalization,²
particularly by virtue of this year¹s theme, The American Dream, which
could
easily be classified as subversive and seditious. This is not to predict or
otherwise claim this will definitely happen, but it is simply to show how
this legal language can and most likely will be applied at some point.
This law allows our government to label anything it wants as ³radical²
and
³terrorist² by defining ³force² and ³violence² separately. ³Force²
is
defined as anything used to bring about change in the dominant system,
including non-violence, civil disobedience, street theater, and even simple
words and deeds, like ³love.²
Most chillingly, it literally criminalizes thought, and is making a direct
play at regulating the Internet.
Please make yourself aware of this, it has direct relevance to your life.
Please do not attack the messenger, he didn't write the Bill, nor have much
to do with it at all, and his ³energy² isn't strong enough to ³manifest
this
negativity² solely by himself. There are bad people in the world, and they
tend to agglomerate in Washington DC.
It has been suggested that since Obama is on the Senate Committee which now
holds this Bill before it is to be sent to the Senate floor sometime this
month when the Govt. goes back into session, that actions and
communications
should be directed towards his office and campaign. My personal feeling is
that this Bill is a done deal unless a hell of a lot of the right people
make a helluva lot of noise, but it is every one of our responsibilities to
speak out on this, as individuals concerned about our very freedoms.
See the VIDEO below.
C7
The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007
(HR 1955)
VIEW SHORT (BUT POWERFUL) VIDEO HERE:
³The House overwhelmingly passed this measure on October 23 that some
observers call "the thought crime prevention bill." It's now in the Senate
(S 1959) where if passed and signed by George Bush will establish a
commission and Center for Excellence to study and take action against
"thought criminals." The commission will be empowered to subpoena and
investigate anyone that will automatically create a perception of guilt
that
may be highlighted in the media for added emphasis.
³This Act is a direct assault on democratic freedoms in the current
atmosphere with both parties and a President determined to end them. The
bill's language hides its possible intent as "violent radicalization" and
"homegrown terrorism" may be whatever the administration says they are.
"Violent radicalization" is defined as "adopting or promoting an extremist
belief system (to facilitate) ideologically based violence to advance
political, religious or social change." "Homegrown terrorism" is used to
mean "the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a
group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within
the United States or any (US) possession to intimidate or coerce the (US)
government, the civilian population....or any segment thereof (to further)
political or social objectives."
³This and other repressive laws may be used against any individual or
group
with unpopular views - those that differ from established state policy,
even
illegal ones, and historian Howard Zinn is concerned. He says: "This is the
most recent of a long series of laws passed in times of foreign policy
tensions, starting with the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, which sent
people to jail for criticizing the Adams administration." Under Woodrow
Wilson in WW I, "the Espionage (and) Sedition Act(s) (jailed) close to a
thousand people (who spoke) out against the war." From HR 1955 and other
post-9/11 laws, authorities now have the same power to target anti-war
protesters or anyone expressing views this Act alone calls
"terrorist-related propaganda." Persons charged and convicted face stiff
penalties in an effort to deter others. This measure is still another step
toward full-blown tyranny in "police state America."
³Though the authors of H.R. 1955 would likely deny that the bill could be
used to crack down on free speech and legitimate political opposition, the
talking heads on the main stream networks have made it very clear that they
would like this kind of legislation to do just that.
Can H.R. 1955 be used to silence the voices of dissent? Let's have a
look.²
AumShantiAum
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Posted : Jan 8, 2008 22:48
ok so i was reading the bill. it sounds pretty bad, but thing is dont they have to prove that the people in question are using force or violence?
"IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs."
Also "Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents."
shouldnt that give us some protection? Either way It does sound like a bad idea and im against it, but im not really sure if itll attack alternative cultures. But then again the government is very coercive. I just hope all those definitions of force arent taken seriously. Id really have to believe that this is a nation idiots if force is ever interpreted in such ways in relation to this bill and it goes unnoticed
Zman
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Posted : Jan 8, 2008 22:53
damon man...y all dis
: ) im coming to see you soon in shytown hehe
konvndrvm
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 13:21
MAN this fvcking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKS!!!!
Zman - Damon has a right to be PISSSSSSSED!!!!!!!
WE ALL DO! NOT JUST HIM!
HOWEVER!
I'm hopeful!
... Our govt is FAR too understaffed, FAR too uncoordinated, FAR too preoccupied with more important things, and FAR too STUPID to be able to regulate all 300 million of us... even if they wanted to they DONT have the resources nor the capability to do this the way Bill O'rly (o rly?) wants.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm sure there WILL be incidents... just not as many as you think.
They cant catch us all...
NeuroNympho
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 19:34
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On 2008-01-08 22:48, ohmshantiohm wrote:
ok so i was reading the bill. it sounds pretty bad, but thing is dont they have to prove that the people in question are using force or violence?
"IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs."
Also "Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents."
shouldnt that give us some protection? Either way It does sound like a bad idea and im against it, but im not really sure if itll attack alternative cultures. But then again the government is very coercive. I just hope all those definitions of force arent taken seriously. Id really have to believe that this is a nation idiots if force is ever interpreted in such ways in relation to this bill and it goes unnoticed
Our constitutional rights are in constant violation and are trickling away fast! What ever protection we have, I'm sure is undergoing "revision" as we type. This country is asleep and delivers trust and responsibility of our lives to someone else. People like you, me and us can do something like writing to the candidates or writing our senators to AT LEAST show that people are paying attention and not happy with what they see.
"It's ALL about the clickety-clack!!!!"-Neuronympho
Hidroponik
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 22:16
konvndrvm
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 01:48
Hidro: Oui.
COUNT ME IN
I dont wanna stick around and witness the end result of this!
Take me with you BROTHER!
limbertimbre
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 02:24
shotgun.
konvndrvm
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 02:26
dammit!
NOT BITCH!
EarWorm
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 05:20
Very sad what's happening to this country. I don't know about you guys, but I truly believe Ron Paul is the only candidate that will save America from becoming a complete fascist state. As all other candidates who are running for the presidency are CFR members(both Rep. and Dem), which is a secret agency within the gov't that makes sure laws like these are passed. He always talks about these issues on interviews and debates, no wonder why the media always bashes him, eh? I'm sure many of us here watched some of his youtube videos, if not...You SHOULD!!!
Sincerely,
Max
--- "Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that" ---
mubali
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 05:23
I'm down for Vancouver... I've got the rosetta stone volumes for french, we can learn as we go, but personally, Germany is looking better and better each day.
An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
spikeadelic
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 06:32
why move we need to fight for our right to pARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRty !!!!!!!!!!!!!
DanVapid
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 15:09
they speak French in Vancouver??
JOAQUIN
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 17:47
AMERICA a move south of the border sounds more and more interesting.
Mexico
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hello
greeting and what a fucked up time in the US and as a result the world. This Act is a complete desecration of the principles America was founded on. I have been watching the debates and CNN coverage of the abomination which is the presidential race. Big money dictates all and it appears Hilary's campaign is donating the most to major networks for coverage, hence the next pres eof the states. Earworm im with you, Ron Paul seems to be the only person along with Gravel not part of the current power structure, and appears to be a major threat to their system of reality. So, he is censored and then discredited as a crack pot by political panels.
i like this video from Mike Gravel..
this is also another worth watching.. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ It's truely a sad time. It's up to you, the educated people to rise!!! Im sick of watching fucking CNN disinformation network of illusions!!! We have love and they use fear. Ultimately love prevails..
i dont know how to end this message without feeling like a new age loonly.. but damn something needs to change before a TOTAL POLICE STATE comes.. this is not a democracy it's a dictatorship with the illusion of freedom!! Bush Clinton Bush.. CLinton! Does anyone see the pattern? Same power structure. Obama is on the same team so it doesnt matter... ramble ramble ramble...
www.neilgibson.ca
AMERICA 
a move south of the border sounds more and more interesting.
Mexico
