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"the trance scene is pants, really!"?!?!?
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VCO
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 14:32
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A friend of mine just came back from travelling and the SDF 2003. Although she managed to have a great time, she told me this:
"the trance scene is pants, really!"
For non UK residents, this word means shit, stupid, silly in a bad way, something quite bad ingeneral.
First of all I laughed and asked why she felt that way.
She talked about the crowd she met the last year in parties in India, clubs and outdoor psy-trance parties in the UK and the the SDF 2003.
I told her that psy-trancers are very tolerant, easy going, funny, caring, selfconcious, and should I say, spiritually correct human beings.
These were actually the first things I told her when I first got her into psy-trance.
All she had to say from her own journeys and experiences was that the psy-trance scene is full of self righteous people that love to show off, love them selves more than anyone else, swear about most things they did not like about psy-trance and other genres besides psy-trance, brag about how cool they are, feeling proud because they know famous DJs and producers and they have all the unreleased tunes that they got directly from them.
Moreover she felt sorry for all the young people that are killing their innosence with drugs, and the fact almost all the people she met, offered her drugs, were doing drugs them selves, and that their idea of a good time and party, was mainly depending on how good the drugs were, and not the music.
I told her that she probably met the wrong people, and that the psy-trance scene is full of nice people, but she told me that the majority of the people she met, fell under the negative facts she pointed out to me.
So what is going on with trance crowd? Let's talke about us, the people that make the psy-trance scene what it is. Is the majority of psy people a bunch of self righteous drug addicts that like to show off?
Does the crowd in the small parties and big festivals represent all the good things that come with the amazing psychedelic trance music that is pumping out of the speakers?
Or has the trance scene become "pants"?
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DETOX
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 15:06
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This is the best thread in this forum for a long time now.
Aggree with you my friend in every word 100%
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 16:55
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Well I started sort of similar topic in another forum.. though I mainly focused on the drug part..
I wouldn't say that majority of trancers are assholes or something like that.. I assume now your friend finds her self better than an average trancer? Maybe she should look inside her?
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VCO
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 17:27
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She doesn't concider her self better than the average trancer, she doesn't even want to be concidered as a trancer.
She thinks all these labels are one more problem with the scene.
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nova
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 17:59
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VCO.... its sad for me to do it but i have to agree with you.
but i must say that not all ppl are like this and you can find it every where...
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tom anteater
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 18:28
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well, hippies with attitude.. they exist.. its possible to avoid them.. or laugh at them.... and from a safe distance both 
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 18:42
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Sounds fairly accurate to some extent!
You'll still find good people if you look, of course... but I do find that festivals and big parties bring out an unfavourable element.
I do chuckle at those who miss the old days, while not realizing that the main difference (for them) between then & now is simply that they dose up less often  it even took me a while to realize the people you see at the party aren't necessarily the same when you meet them on the street. Surely you've "known" some people in the trance world for years even, but sometimes you have to ask if you've ever seen them outside of the parties, and off the drugs. Maybe you don't really know them at all, hmm?
Anyhow, there are a lot of good people into trance... it just so happens that they don't make as much noise as the killars! So don't confuse the proportions, its not as bad as it looks. |
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 19:34
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I started a thread called 'what´s the movement all about', and is very close to this one...
Trance has gone pop! That´s a fact. Even in this forum most pp rush to say it´s dead, and PLUR is dead. I don´t think so... I think similar souls connect easier, and recognize each other by far...
I think pp who understand each other with a glance, and help each other effortless still exist and I love every single one of them.
It really doesn´t matter if pp do drugs or not, at least for me! Sorry but ur friend is just judgemental. Pp do not need to do what she think is right. Our truth does not define other pp.
And u can always be a 'good influence' if pp r open for it, if they r not, just mind ur own business, maybe they know it all already.
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nikur
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 20:27
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It's not all black or white.
Though some of what your friend said seems to me true. Specially about the drugs, you sort of have to do drugs to connect to certain people.
Some people find it strange if you don't participate.
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 21:07
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On 2003-09-18 18:28, tom anteater wrote:
well, hippies with attitude.. they exist.. its possible to avoid them.. or laugh at them.... and from a safe distance both
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eh? ...
i think trance scene has become just too commercial ...more and more people come to the party just to sell/buy drugs and that`s realy sad for all those youngsters ....that is why most of trance party visitors are young people bewteen 16 - 20 and they don`t realy care what is PLUR, what is a message of trance music, trance and spirituality ..etc ....i`m a 30 years old hippie lady ..and i always find what i`m looking for at trance parties .....feeling of a deep peace of mind ..in kinda ..cosmic way ...and drugs can be realy, but realy, just a secondary experience ......
Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. When you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eyes permanently glued to the microscope; he goes away and works on what he has seen.
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Anak
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 22:35
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u need to teach the youngsters. i was teached, and i teach everywhere i can. the problem is imho that most young ppl in my age (16 - 20 as u mentioned it) get introduced to the music via the drug, not otherwise. "psytrance sounds sooooo cool when u are on drugs"
thats what i hear all the time.
there was no need to tell your age btw. i always find what i'm looking to, too. ppl just need to learn to scratch the surface again.....teaching is the keyword.
your attached text in cursive is very nice by the way......so true.
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karnaf
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 00:03
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On 2003-09-18 14:32, VCO wrote:
So what is going on with trance crowd? Let's talke about us, the people that make the psy-trance scene what it is. Is the majority of psy people a bunch of self righteous drug addicts that like to show off?
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Unfortunately, lately I believe this is true. The ppl here in this forum do not represent the majority of trance ppl. Most of the members of this forum look at trance as something more than music. Something like a community, and this a meeting place for the tribe.
Most ppl you see in parties are in general drug (ab)users, most of them came for the drugs and have no clue whatsoever about the community, its ideals (are there any left?) and mostly, the music.
Just have a look around the next party you go to, check the crowd. Dont criticize, just observe and learn. This is how we look.
We're on the verge of extinction... 
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 00:38
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i don't mind the people who do drugs at all really.. i mean it's not really my business now is it.. if those people chose not to talk with me i honestly don't give a flying you know what.. it's not like i go to parties to find friends or something.. at the end of the day it's just music.. nothing else.. imho
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Hippie
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 01:54
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On 2003-09-18 22:35, Anakoluth wrote:
u need to teach the youngsters. i was teached, and i teach everywhere i can. the problem is imho that most young ppl in my age (16 - 20 as u mentioned it) get introduced to the music via the drug, not otherwise. "psytrance sounds sooooo cool when u are on drugs"
thats what i hear all the time.
there was no need to tell your age btw. i always find what i'm looking to, too. ppl just need to learn to scratch the surface again.....teaching is the keyword.
your attached text in cursive is very nice by the way......so true.
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well ..teaching is not the keyword exactly ....it`s not that easy to "teach" such a young population ..they can hear you, but they`ll do their thing in the end ..no matter of what ....most of them .....i mean, i was a teenage once and i know how "crazy" i was ...you got it with years ..as you become older, you become smarter, ofcourse, but only with your own life expiriences ....that`s it ..
and trance music/experience is something more than music ...at least to me ...yep ..a community ...state of universal PLUR .....that is how i live it ...if you try to listen some classical music you`ll feel very similar vibes
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