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"the trance scene is pants, really!"?!?!?
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error604
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 08:14
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good thread....
@ VCO - a lot of what she said is true.
Teaching perhaps is not the right word, but what must happen is is a tranfer of the ideals through some kind of spiritual osmosis from the minds of the older trancers to the newer ones.
Peace.
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russ
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 11:10
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i think many of you are missing the point of the original post. she was not only complaining of teenagers bashing their heads on drugs without listening to the music. i think what she picked up on her travels was the ugliness that any exclusive "scene" necessarily becomes.
the problem is that once you have a "scene", it begins to feed too much off of itself, be it in music, decoration, attitude, spirit, people, whatever. and ironically, the more people are into that scene, and the more seriously people take that scene, the greater the likelihood that they will end up killing off whatever they loved about it in the 1st place, and in the process do themselves some harm. now there is practically a generation of people (especially from Japan and Israel) who primarily identify and define themselves in relationship to a genre of music. sorry guys, but this cannot end fruitfully. the only possible end result is "pants"!
nature knows this lesson well, so she has programmed into all of her creations a disdain for incest. when incestuous relations occur--either among members of Europe's royal family, inbred rednecks in west Texas, or "goaheads" who feed themselves trance for breakfast, lunch, and dinner--the end result is a horribly misshapen creature with all of the weaknesses of its "parents" exaggerated to a gross degree. this is what much of the "trance scene" around the world is today: an inbred product of too much trance lovin`. |
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Kaz
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Posted : Sep 19, 2003 12:47
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OK, the average trance listener is a musical snob. I know I am. Everyone that listens to psytrance feels special because 'he/she gets it', while most people don't. And like any arguement, it's even stronger within the scene than with those from outside it (just like the biggest religious debates that Catholics have are with Protestants, not with Muslims, who are just blasphemous and ignorant as far as Christianity goes). In a great amount of cases, that slips into a condenscending point of view which is very comfortable to have.
The days when the psytrance scene were just backpackers that took the music home with them and hippies living in secluded spots are long gone - they are far from the majority nowadays. Instead, we've got a lot of the 'classic' raver symptoms (you know the joke, how many ravers does it take to replace a lightbulb? 100, one to replace it and the rest to bitch about how the old one was better), like nostalgia about stuff that was never really that great, Cyberdog (and clones) 'rave' clothing, people eating up drugs like they're candy (ok, so it's not as much extasy and alcohol and occasionally cocaine as in the house scene, but more diverse by a little bit, but it's the same), people talking about how everything's gone commercial (even if it did, it's exactly what people from every scene say, including non-electronic genres).
Yes, the scene has grown a lot in the last few years - it's growth has been exponential - when I was 14 and heard a lot of psytrance people would tell me "we can't stand that techno shit", by the time I was 18 they already knew that psytrance was something different than techno. Now I'm 24 and everyone (more or less) can recognize psytrance, and quite a few of them like it (actually, a few guys that were in my class and were anti-psytrance are now psytrance party organizers). Even though Israel always had a developed psytrance scene, it's growth is extreme and still continues.
Today there are many artists that 'grew' on psytrance, while the original scene was 100% 'converted' from other forms of music - and just like russ said - it's weaknesses have grown. While I used to play to any serious music buff Hallucinogen - LSD, and nearly always hear "that's pretty damn good actually", what will people give others to listen? There's precious little in the music that can relate to serious music listeners (from outside the psytrance scene) nowadays. Psytrance has carved it's own niche, and rather than expand it, it decided that the rest of the world was just too ignorant and doesn't deserve to know it, and burried itself deep in a hole it created.
This can be seen at parties, where a lot of people wouldn't dance without drugs, this can be heard in the music, which is like an ironic reflection at the hardcore techno scene (instead of becoming harsh and trendy, it's becoming fluffy and trendy).
But lets look at the positives for a moment. There are still some wonderful people in the psytrance scene, people that when you sit in the chill out zone in the party you can immediately spot and say "this person is one of the good people" (what we call 'beautiful people' in the psytrance scene - even though it doesn't have much to do with beauty). There's some music that really goes beyond what you could expect (Charm, Younger Brother and to an extent the Bigwigs album for this year did it for me).
Everything is just great, the moment you don't think the scene is anything beyond your friends and the people that make you smile - like in every scene in the electronic world, the power of denial or the blindness from seeing something so new is what makes it seem so good.
The psytrance scene may be 'pants', but so is the house scene (do people even care about the music there anymore, or just go to the parties for the sexual vibe and/or extasy), the techno scene (we're hardcore, we rule!!! umm, any meth left?), the jungle scene (how can people listen to a monotone bassdrum at all?! Wait, that guy over there likes oldschool... GO LISTEN TO HIP HOP YOU WANKER!), the IDM scene (our taste in music is better than everyone elses. Seriously, all the rest of the electronic music is just formulas and stereotypes. Of course IDM is different), whatever. It's just hard to be objective sometimes. But there are the nice things in the scene, and I believe that they make up for it, just like in every other scene.
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russ
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 08:22
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even though i agreed that much of the trance scene is "pants" i still love it enough to devote considerable energy to organizing outdoor events. i like house music, but the house "scene" as far as i can tell in most places is a total joke (probably some exceptions though like melbourne etc). when i see how bad house parties are, and all the egos and silliness and posing going on, i can't believe that such amazing music actually gets made for that kind of party.
and when a trance "works" at those rare moments when the right people, the right dj's, and the right sound system happen to find each other in the right location, then nothing else can compare. |
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solipt1c
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Posted : Sep 20, 2003 08:50
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a few more insomniac rambling from me... nothing really important to add, but ihave to do something until i get tired :/
in short: reading stuff like that..... makes me 1/2 glad i HAVE no trance 'scene'!!
where i'm at, there are very rare parties, mostly anything only happens when me / my mates organise it ourselves. i must say when i first went to psytrance events and parties i was very impressed but the crowd, i met a lot of really cool friendly people. but these are small gatherings, in a place where psy is still a practically unheard-of minority music, perhaps that explains it. i have never ever been to a psy night bigger than a few hundred people... biggest night i been to yet had junya as the top dj... still the only remotely famous dj i've seen.... so perhaps i'm lucky, the scene is so small here, everyone has to stick together, and an open-minded / PLUR spirit still prevails.
So that mainly leaves me with the online scene... and there also i have tosay I havent met this sort of bad attitude/vibe. the psytrance room on slsk for example is on the whole populated by significantly more open-minded, peaceful, friendly people than any other room i visit (and i like practically every form of music in existence).... altho obviously some elitism / narrow-mindedness is still visible here and there.
so overall.... i'd say i havent yet found the trance scene to be "pants" at all... but that may be simply because i havent yet found the trance scene 
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Posted : Sep 21, 2003 08:10
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On 2003-09-19 12:47, kaz wrote:
The psytrance scene may be 'pants', but so is the house scene (do people even care about the music there anymore, or just go to the parties for the sexual vibe and/or extasy), the techno scene (we're hardcore, we rule!!! umm, any meth left?), the jungle scene (how can people listen to a monotone bassdrum at all?! Wait, that guy over there likes oldschool... GO LISTEN TO HIP HOP YOU WANKER!), the IDM scene (our taste in music is better than everyone elses. Seriously, all the rest of the electronic music is just formulas and stereotypes. Of course IDM is different), whatever. It's just hard to be objective sometimes. But there are the nice things in the scene, and I believe that they make up for it, just like in every other scene.
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HAHAHAHA!!!!
That's fantastic. Love it. Having been raving/partying since the days of 'old skool' and coming from a 'hardcore tekno' background that really made me smile. I have got down like a bitch to all the above kinds of music, and (off topic) my ideal party would have systems playing all of them.
This is a subject I've wanted to broach since signing up to this forum, but have been scared I'd be ripped to peices.
It's true of all scenes that they have their cliches, and I think the trance scene particularly has been much maligned (not completely unfairly). I have found many people on the trance scene to be the most narrow minded, know-it-all musical (and party) fascists I've encountered. Many seem to be rich kids travelling on their daddy's credit card who think smoking chillums and saying 'boom' makes them spiritual. These people aren't into music and are just here to pose. Hopefully, though, a few of them might learn to be geniuinely cool people.
Having said that, good trance parties are to my mind the best parties going these days. I have met more genuinely lovely people with the right energy and right ideas about things at trance parties than any other in the last couple of years. The vibe is better than in any other scene and this is why I personally have started going to more trance parties and less tekno parties.
I don't think the trance scene is pants. I think it has it's own set of problems with dickheads as any other, as the above quote illustrates so nicely... House (cocaine and leather trousers) Jungle/D&B (crack) Hardcore Tekno (I've done 23 pills and a load of K!!! I'm more hardcore than you!!!)
(Off topic)
My ideal would still be to bring all the good people from all the scenes together, with systems playing every type of music. THEN we'd have a party!!!! |
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John
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 00:10
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This is actually a bit of a fave topic of mine...
I'm not sure what the scene is like in other countries as you dont really pick up on the small details unless you live in a country or speak the language - but the Uk psy trance scene in common with the "traveller" scene (if you want to piss them off - ask how long they're on holiday for...) has lot of people from very well off back grounds.
Now being from a well off back ground doesnt make you better or worse than anyone else- but it can give some strange attitudes regarding rebelling and attitudes to money . There is alot of insecurity and this does breed the worst sort of snobbishness which can be witnessed at first hand in any of the tourist parts of India or many parties or festivals (though fortunately mainly the London/SE ones in the UK).
The flip side is that there are lots of sound people in the psy trance scene and some great parties and amazing festivals - but you cannot realy deny it attracts more than its fair share of tw*ts!
(someone on another board said his friends called psy trance "Tarquin Techno" - which will be lost on non-UK readers, and the only Tarquin i ever knew was a girl from SA - but it still brought a smile to my face!
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tom anteater
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 11:39
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aahh, yes i rather liked the tarquin techno comment too
for those who don;t know it is the sort of name that an extremely rich person _might_ be given by their parents... kind of like reverse shimon  (this is meant to be a joke kids )
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Posted : Sep 22, 2003 18:19
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dudes the scene is now picking up so one can expect all kinds of ppl ...............those who know how to handle the scene @party will stay happy others will learn and yet a lot will not bother to come bck ............... and thts ok ........... now i did hav the pleasure to read somebody mentioning hippie this and hippies that ................ bro....learn the meaning of a hippie >>>>>>>> its not clothes u wear or dreadlocks or smoke a joint stuff But its about love and a craving for peace for all human beings so everyone who does that is a hippie (this is my opinion so no offence ) and" hippies with attitude" .............  Brother the ppl u have met like the ones u mention are maybe not hippies ...........so dont generalize the term coz all peace lovers are hippies coz they all break some or the other rule made by society and bureurats ............ so actually no "pants" abt trance scene >>>>>>>>>>> it will just take time for ppl to accept it or recognize it
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 04:25
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......i love your post jabba ....peace
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VCO
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 13:45
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On 2003-09-22 18:19, jabba wrote:
........ bro....learn the meaning of a hippie >>>>>>>> its not clothes u wear or dreadlocks or smoke a joint stuff But its about love and a craving for peace for all human beings so everyone who does that is a hippie (this is my opinion so no offence ) .... so actually no "pants" abt trance scene >>>>>>>>>>> it will just take time for ppl to accept it or recognize it
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I am a peace lover, but I am certainly not a hippie (no offence taken).
>>> It will take time for people to accept and recognise what? That the trance party scene has an exponentialy growing mumber of self righteous "characters"?
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Kitnam
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 15:54
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Jabba, your opinion is interessting and creates hope in my mind. Last OA(Lovefield) in Germany i went for with my girl, we tried to get an enjoyed festival and party, but we had to leave after the first night, because we got just shoked!
Shoked by some ignorant stoned people wich dissed us with their heavy music and social uglyness in the night, while we had tried to sleep in our tent.
Theres no need to explain that situation deeper, because its simply very sad when i am not able to talk with my neighbours on the camp, because they are too stoned and high and too egoistic.
Sorry, i can not stay there with a smile and smother bad vibrations in my soul with smile. I just want to leave! Maybe we could change our camping-place. But why? For such a scene with such partypeople? No way!
Maybe i have to be stoned too so i can tolerate such stoned people and say:"yeah cool party here!"
I do not attack drug-using people overall. but the mafia which found a perfect outlet-area on psy-partys and so we got a destroyed scene and the beauty rest is just a relic you can take with one finger out of a mildewed chai-tea!
Behind the scenes (labels, partyorganizers) its (sadly to say) often the same.
BOOM and LIGHT 
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 17:08
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no pants, its ok i think.
every "scene" or other massive human community (that dont have to be unity, since its too big to be unity) have different kind of ppl in its list, so no way there will be better or worse "scene", sure dont forget about personal subjective and dna prefers, but in global average person from scene A will be very similar to averge person from scene B.
Kitnam - hope it wasnt us your neighboors in lovefield:))) ... dont worry, we wasnt there in tents at all:)) shaise expirience u has, next time ear plugs the must!!!
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jabba
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Posted : Sep 23, 2003 21:39
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EAR PLUGS >>> UR RIGHT COCACOOL but smtimes aftr an hr or so even earplugs hurt.........then where do we go ? (joking)
HAHAHA 
KITNAM-------- i have myself had alot of such bad experiences more than the good ones so i can relate but hey wht abt the good exprncs u have had ............... it goes like this diffrnt ambience>>>>>>>>>>>> different ppl>>>>>different exprncs >>>> aint it true KITNAM ________ wish u many nice prties .................... with DECENT ppl arnd
@VCO with due respect to ur post ..........Its all "my perception" and my experiences.......
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