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Prahlad
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 01:19
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This ussually happens with earth loops thru different paths to earth from the speakers/your audio card/laptop
a possible fix is disconnecting the SIGNAL earth on your AUDIO cables (NOTE: this has NOTHING to do with the power cables!!!) on the side attached to the speakers. If your not into tech then get a stereo DI box from say Palmer and u can "ground lift " as its called with a button  about 40 eu
or u have to work as fast as one battery charge lasts 
good luck
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Kadavr
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 06:46
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Anyone have anything to say about the PMC monitors (http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/index2.html)? which models might be interesting to look at? |
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 10:32
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just from reading forums people seems to love the TB2S (passive and active). |
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 16:33
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Dynaudio Acoustics BM6P ??
i just called the shop to check on the bm6a , and got pritty intresting opinion about the passive model .
who expirience the diffrence?
what ur opinion about active / passive?
the guy in the shop say the hole "100% match" is crapy sales method , and actualy recomended amp will always sound better on the same model then active units.
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orange
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 19:10
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a very good amp will make them sound better indeed!
but that means more units in the studio more cables(means more noise) and for a very good amp maybe even more expensive than a pair of actives!
i will suggest active ones the amps are good and perfectly calibrated for the particular speakers !
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 20:22
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the guy in the shop says the standart samson studio amp is reccomended by dynaudio
this will also be much cheaper (about 900$)
i reckon good cable can do , and as far for more equipment , i'll handle it... my room looks like mothership anywayz 
my vote goes easy for the passive now.. much cheaper and seems quality indeed is same if not better 
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 21:38
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Why is that ? because the guy in the shop thinks so??
lol !
I wouldn't do so much of it!
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I did put to test the TB2SA against the bm6 with some of my fellow sound engineers.
They sound good they are more open, they have a very good high end and a good bass extension and they are way more powerfull then the bm6
But I still prefer the bm6 somehow. It is not an easy win, its personal taste
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 23:17
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On 2007-06-06 21:38, Seppa wrote:
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Why is that ? because the guy in the shop thinks so??
lol !
I wouldn't do so much of it!
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well 1000$ less.. and if diffrence is 2% here or there is defintly not that much diffrence..
will listen to both offcourse
still need to check more reviews isnt it
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 10:32
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On 2007-06-06 20:22, tsabeat wrote:
the guy in the shop says the standart samson studio amp is reccomended by dynaudio
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I call bull.
Last person to take advice from about gear is a salesman...trust me, I used to sell gear
Maybe Samson have done some updates to their amps, but I did a bit of ABX testing some years ago with different amps and then the impression of the servos was very bad indeed.
I would much rather pick up a decent old s/h hi-fi amp like a NAD or at least spend for something like an ART SLA.
Normally the rule is that you should spend half on the speakers and half on the amp to
get the best possible sound for your money.
Skimping on the amp can be ok for the fact that you can live with not ideal sound for a while until you got the cast for a decent amp, but in that case find you find something cheaper and better s/h instead of going for a samson.
I sometime read an interview with dynaudios lead designer where he claimed that a passive monitor can sound just as good as an active.
I know that it's supposedly many technical advantages when it comes to active vs. passive monitors.
Unless you go for really expensive stuff you will not have the possibility to bi-amp a passive monitor and hence you will have an active crossover which is not as good as a passive.
Also the close coupling to amp and driver should be beneficial.
But there is also other considerations speaking for a passive monitor.
It can be hard to design a speaker with the amp housed in the cabinet without it adversely affecting the acoustics.
Also the vibrations inside the cabinet can be bad for the amp.
The idea that the amps will be a perfect match for the drivers doesn't always hold true either.
For example the old Tannoy reveals had quite underpowered amps, and the passive versions would sound a lot better with any half decent amp than their active counterparts.
On the other hand comparing the event 20/20 p with a decent amp and the 20/20 BAS the active sounded a lot better.
So the point of not having to make an informed choice kind of falls flat since you anyway have to make sure that the active monitors of choice actually have an amp that is a good match.
Also I hate the experience of having the amp dying in a active monitor.
It's not hard or expensive to pick up a temporary replacement if your amp for a passive monitor.
Basically it depends on what monitor I would be looking at if I go active or passive.
If the sound is pretty much the same I rather go passive for practical reasons.
I only used passive dynaudios, so with them I don't know.
Tannoy have gotten their stuff together with their actives now, and since the model I liked was the only one in their range which was only available as active I went for that.
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 14:01
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On 2007-06-07 10:32, Spindrift wrote:
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On 2007-06-06 20:22, tsabeat wrote:
the guy in the shop says the standart samson studio amp is reccomended by dynaudio
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I call bull.
Last person to take advice from about gear is a salesman...trust me, I used to sell gear
Maybe Samson have done some updates to their amps, but I did a bit of ABX testing some years ago with different amps and then the impression of the servos was very bad indeed.
I would much rather pick up a decent old s/h hi-fi amp like a NAD or at least spend for something like an ART SLA.
Normally the rule is that you should spend half on the speakers and half on the amp to
get the best possible sound for your money.
Skimping on the amp can be ok for the fact that you can live with not ideal sound for a while until you got the cast for a decent amp, but in that case find you find something cheaper and better s/h instead of going for a samson.
I sometime read an interview with dynaudios lead designer where he claimed that a passive monitor can sound just as good as an active.
I know that it's supposedly many technical advantages when it comes to active vs. passive monitors.
Unless you go for really expensive stuff you will not have the possibility to bi-amp a passive monitor and hence you will have an active crossover which is not as good as a passive.
Also the close coupling to amp and driver should be beneficial.
But there is also other considerations speaking for a passive monitor.
It can be hard to design a speaker with the amp housed in the cabinet without it adversely affecting the acoustics.
Also the vibrations inside the cabinet can be bad for the amp.
The idea that the amps will be a perfect match for the drivers doesn't always hold true either.
For example the old Tannoy reveals had quite underpowered amps, and the passive versions would sound a lot better with any half decent amp than their active counterparts.
On the other hand comparing the event 20/20 p with a decent amp and the 20/20 BAS the active sounded a lot better.
So the point of not having to make an informed choice kind of falls flat since you anyway have to make sure that the active monitors of choice actually have an amp that is a good match.
Also I hate the experience of having the amp dying in a active monitor.
It's not hard or expensive to pick up a temporary replacement if your amp for a passive monitor.
Basically it depends on what monitor I would be looking at if I go active or passive.
If the sound is pretty much the same I rather go passive for practical reasons.
I only used passive dynaudios, so with them I don't know.
Tannoy have gotten their stuff together with their actives now, and since the model I liked was the only one in their range which was only available as active I went for that.
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thanx for the post
btw - this salesman sell both active and passive , and not even the amp , so for some strange reason it does not sound like he try to earn more from me.
as i said , in 1000$ diffrence , would the price-value realy justify to get the active ?
hmm got 3 more days to think.. more ideas welcome
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 14:48
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On 2007-06-07 14:01, tsabeat wrote:
thanx for the post
btw - this salesman sell both active and passive , and not even the amp , so for some strange reason it does not sound like he try to earn more from me.
as i said , in 1000$ diffrence , would the price-value realy justify to get the active ?
hmm got 3 more days to think.. more ideas welcome
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He could be honest by in my experience from working in a couple of shops in the UK that is quite rare.
For example you are instructed to switch the customer to an item you have in stock even if it's cheaper...otherwise the risk is big that you say "ok I want the active" and when you are told you have to wait for one week you thank for the advice and go to closest competitor and pick one up the same day.
Also we had bonuses for specific items....you could get an extra £50 in your pocket for convincing a customer to buy a certain product.
Anyway I sincerely doubt that the Samsons is recommended by Dynaudio...best thing to do is to contact dynaudio and ask for recommendations.
When it comes to power amps available in music gear shops the options is very limited.
You pretty much have a choice between Samson, Alesis and sometimes ART.
The ART amps has been very well received also in hi-fi circles as an extremely good amp for the money but is at least the double of the samsons or alesis.
I would first of all check if I can find something like a NAD 2100 s/h.
Even if they can be quite old by now they seem to never fail and offers a lot of power (200 wpc) and good sound.
My impression without having actually listened to their active monitors is that they are good , and if you want the passive to be close in quality it might not be a good idea to skimp on the amp and go for a samson, but the way to find out for sure is if you can get a chance to AB the passive vs active.
I've done a lot of AB when working in shops, and I was really surprised how big a difference the amp will make.
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 7, 2007 22:42
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yes only way to know is to a/b them ,if the set up allow you to fade from one to the other you ll hear clearly ,and if you can keep you old monitors, always good to have 2 pairs . |
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 8, 2007 11:40
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big problem - we only have 1 shop sell them , and active need to be ordered. so no A>B ... damm
as far for reccomending something in stock i dont sure cause they said they can give me any pair i want till my arrive incase i want the active
hmm so ART amp ... checking
dont forget i talk still about 1000$ diffrence (well atleast with the samson amp)
i will get the expensive ones if i get clear image of them being heaps better , if not , the amp size wont scare me or something...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jun 8, 2007 15:33
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On 2007-06-08 11:40, tsabeat wrote:
big problem - we only have 1 shop sell them , and active need to be ordered. so no A>B ... damm
as far for reccomending something in stock i dont sure cause they said they can give me any pair i want till my arrive incase i want the active
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If you check what amps they have in stock my guess is that it's the Samsons.
That's the only reason that according to the salesman passive is best and Samson is recommended to use with them.
Sure they can try to get you to settle for borrowing another pair while you wait, but the best way to seal a deal ASAP is to get you to want something they can give you there and then.
Also, whatever amp you get make sure it has plenty of power.
The spec on the BM6 says minimum 40 wpc, but I would think something like 100 wpc would be good with them.
It's bigger chance that would blow your speakers using an underpowered amp compared to a overpowered and you get a cleaner signal if it doesn't have to work to hard.
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Elad
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