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The Mother of all SOUNDCARDS thread
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Nerdkiller
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 21:12
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Audio Kontrol 1 has a sample rate of 24-bit/192kHz while those u mentioned have 24-bit/96kHz
Is that a big deal?
( im sorry for the lame question but so far I have been stuck with ozonic and I had no real need to evaluate that information )
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Cosmic Oneness
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 20:06
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Need your valued opinion .... How is Echo Indigo DJ along with Traktor ...
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 22:50
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Nerdkiller, I don't feel like getting into the detailed theory of it since it's very complex and heavily debated, but recording at 192khz at this point is essentially trading accuracy for speed, especially in the case of that particular interface because of the quality of its ADC. Logically 192khz audio seems like it would be higher quality than 96khz, but in practice that isn't at all the case. To put it simply: A sample rate only has to be two times the highest frequency of the signal bandwidth for the recording to capture all of the source's detail with no errors (Read about the Nyquist sampling theorem for the details). Since human hearing has a range of about 20hz-20,000hz, and at some point all audio files will be bandpassed within that range to avoid aliasing, 44.1khz as a sample rate is more than enough bandwidth. Recording at 192khz just wastes space and processing power, both in the DAW and in D/A and A/D conversion.
Bit depth is a different story as it describes the amount of information within each sample, so 24 bit recordings are definitely higher quality than 16 bit recordings.
I'm not saying that the Audio Kontrol isn't a good interface because it attempts to do this, but the Saffire LE and Firebox certainly aren't bad interfaces just because they can't record at 192khz.
Hope that helps...
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Nurion
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 17:40
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Hello all..
I want to buy a soundcard to produce and live acts ...price range between 200€ - 300€
wich are the best choices??
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 19:39
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Hello!
Im looking for a good but cheap audio/midi interface.
I been looking at
Echo AudioFire 4:
FireWire interface with 8ft cable, bus powered (6-pin FireWire, optional external 12V DC power supply included), 2 auto-sensing universal inputs (mic/guitar/line), 2 balanced 1/4" analog inputs, 4 balanced 1/4" analog outputs, independent stereo headphone output with volume control, 24-bit/96kHz S/PDIF I/O, MIDI I/O, Drivers: ASIO 2.0, WDM, GSIF 2.0, CoreAudio & CoreMIDI. Windows XP/Mac OSX.
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ESI DuaFire:
24bit/96kHz mobile FireWire audio interface with 2x input channels with level controls (1/4" jack), microphone pre-amps with phantom power (XLR), 2x Hi-Z inputs, selectable input switch (line-level/phono pre-amps), 4x analogue outputs, direct input monitoring with level control. 1x headphone output with amp and volume control. Bus powered or via separate power supply. Supports DirectWIRE 3.0, MME, ASIO 2.0, GSIF 2.0, DirectSound and Core Audio. Compatible with Mac (OS X 10.3.6 or higher) and Windows (Vista and XP). Includes power supply and Steinberg Cubase LE 4.0 (for PC and Mac).
I think that this Directwire sounds interesting.
But i miss S/PDIF on the duafire...
Does anyone have a idea?
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 16:45
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I'm currently looking to upgrade my home studio with a new soundcard (I'm currently using my VirusTI), as I need MIDI support and at least 4 ins, the MOTU Ultralite MK3 seemed a good choice, does anyone here have some experience with it ?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 18:00
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PsyTiax - i dont know anything about the Motu Ultralight.
you might wanna check
PRESONUS FIREPOD
though the MOTU ULTRALITE MKIII looks real nice
My self i think i will get the Echo AudioFire 4
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 22:21
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The Presonus looks nice, but two inputs only, that's definately not enough for me 
Same thing for the Audiofire.
Hell, if it wasn't for that (and MIDI support), I would have go for an Apogee Duet, things would have been soooo much easier.
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diskonekt
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Posted : Dec 15, 2008 23:26
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On 2008-12-15 22:21, PsyTiax wrote:
The Presonus looks nice, but two inputs only, that's definately not enough for me
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You're confusing it with the firebox. The presonus firepod (FP10) has 8 line inputs. It's a great solution as an audio interface i think.
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frambonas
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 13:49
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On 2008-12-15 22:21, PsyTiax wrote:
The Presonus looks nice, but two inputs only, that's definately not enough for me
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You're confusing it with the firebox. The presonus firepod (FP10) has 8 line inputs. It's a great solution as an audio interface i think.
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Firepod (now called firestudio) is really great.
Very good quality 10 in/ out's...
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 16:39
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Uh, now I'm confused.
I've searched for the FP10 and found this :
http://nitetymesounds.com/louonline/jslmusic/images/presonus_firepod_fp10.jpg
I may be missing something, but I only see two line inputs.
EDIT : Damn, I've just realised the front entrances are mic + line, are those the remaining 6 line inputs ? Do they use the same cable as the line inputs on the back of the soundcard ? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 16, 2008 19:27
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check the front and the back..
there is 6 line inputs on the front and two in the back..
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 17, 2008 07:34
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PsyTiax, you're really confused here.
There are two inputs on the front that you can use with either XLR or TRS cables and two more inputs on the back that you can only use with TRS cables. The difference between the front and back inputs is that the front two have gain control and phantom power for microphones, and the back don't (this doesn't mean that you can only use the front inputs with mics, just that you would need seperate preamps to use mics with the back inputs). The other 6 jacks are all outputs. There is also s/pdif I/O with the breakout cable, but you'll need a dedicated DAC and ADC to use those. Without the s/pdif, it has 4 mono inputs and 6 mono outputs (and one MIDI I/O).
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Dec 17, 2008 16:06
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Uh, Kane, if I understood you correctly, there's only 4 mono inputs?
I'm even more confused now, on PreSonus website it states :
"8 Analog Mic/Line Inputs, 2 Instrument Inputs"
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 18, 2008 23:39
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oh..sorry thought we were still talking about the firebox
I'm not sure what you're talking about, so I'll just cover all of them. My statement above was about the Firebox.
The Firepod is discontinued, but if you get one used or your distributor still has them, they have 10 ins and 14 outs. The Firepod is now called the FP10, and it has the same amount of I/O.
The Firestudio Project has the same amount of I/O as the Firepod/FP10 but with better A/D and a few other features.
The regular Firestudio has the same amount of analog I/O as the Firepod/FP10 but with better A/D and more digital inputs.
All of these numbers are the amount of mono ins and don't include digital I/O. Sometimes the manufacturer's specifications include digital I/O when they say "__ ins, __ outs"...one s/pdif in or out will be counted as 2 channels if this is the case. One ADAT in or out can be up to 8 channels.
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