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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 29, 2008 20:13
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On 2008-04-29 17:04, orgytime wrote:
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On 2008-04-28 21:11, orgytime wrote:
hey there, i´ve checked out now the mastering vid earlier in this thread from Andi.
i got some questions, please tell me if im wrong!
Kick, Bass ... 0HZ-120HZ
Leads, Pads ... 120HZ-8KHZ
Percussion .... 8KHZ-22KHZ
but... i have to cut off my leads from 10KHZ, not from 8KHZ because otherwise it sounds bad... am i doing wrong?
i also need the amount of [db] for each instrument... how shold i know that? i have got good ears about harmonics, but mastering is really hard to hear.
the idea about mastering is to cut off frequency of each instrument in the right position, that they are not disturbing each other, right?
its really hard to understand everything, additional my poor english makes it not easier.
if you dont want to tell me, you maybe have some links what get me closer to my questions.
greetings orgy
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sorry that im disturbing again, but im here to share/get experience.
if my questions are to stupit for you, then could you please just post a link what helps me out.
at the moment im stucked with this problem and i dont know where i should get this information.
greetings
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Hey Orgytime (great name btw)
I think the problem is that there is so much in your question that either doesn't make sense or contains incomplete information about what you're doing or trying to do, that we read it and think "Oh God, where to start?" I realise that English isn't your first language so perhaps you could break your question up into smaller questions and ask them one by one?
Also I think one fundamental problem is that you're confused between post-production (aka) 'mastering', or the preparation of a production-ready version of a track from an unprocessed stereo mix, and 'mixing' which is the process of making all the individual sounds of a track sit together and sound good, and then recording it down to a single file which can then be mastered.
  Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
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orgytime
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Posted : May 2, 2008 16:14
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Hi Colin!
1. thank you for telling me^^
2. yes i meant MIXING, not MASTERING (sorry)
3. are there any rules for mixing what are very important?
4. i have got 2 selfmade settings at my EQ for leads + Hihats/Crashs.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/orgytime/mixsetting.jpg?t=1209733601
you think this is ok?
5. do you think, the best is just to listen for good sound, and cut/rise the frequency you need, and dont go to much for "RULES"?
if any question is incomplete or doesent make sense for you, ignore it^^
thanks again for spending time, to answer my stupit questions... |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 2, 2008 19:57
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1. You're welcome  I hope I didn't offend in what I said.
2. I thought so.
3. The only rules I'm aware of are "make it sound as good as you can", and "don't process just for the sake of it". Don't expect miracles if you're just starting out.
4. EQ settings are specific for each sound; if those settings make the leads and hats/crashes sound good in the context of your track then they're fine. They look similar to some of the EQ curves I end up with for some kinds of leads and cymbals.
5. Yes.
Don't worry, your questions aren't stupid, they're actually quite commonly asked by people just starting out. By the way, this is the wrong thread for this discussion 
Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
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orgytime
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Posted : May 2, 2008 23:50
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On 2008-05-02 19:57, Colin OOOD wrote:
1. You're welcome I hope I didn't offend in what I said.
2. I thought so.
3. The only rules I'm aware of are "make it sound as good as you can", and "don't process just for the sake of it". Don't expect miracles if you're just starting out.
4. EQ settings are specific for each sound; if those settings make the leads and hats/crashes sound good in the context of your track then they're fine. They look similar to some of the EQ curves I end up with for some kinds of leads and cymbals.
5. Yes.
Don't worry, your questions aren't stupid, they're actually quite commonly asked by people just starting out. By the way, this is the wrong thread for this discussion
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offend? lol it was my fault (noob knowlege) just recognized im in the wrong thead^^
...from mastering to mixing... hehe
you really helped alot, and ill take your advices seriously!
one thing^^ is there a "mother of all mixing" thread? i heard in the "production area" i can get some good mixing videos, but i cant find the production area thing^^
thanks for spending time to me! |
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Cannabis
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Posted : May 3, 2008 00:19
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Colin,
I find that the levels of Kick and Bass and low freqs, which should have been filtered in the mixing stage are very crucial as how the endproduct would sound. What do you recommend for levels RMS/Peak for this category and cutoffs?
thanks
PS: Thanks for sharing, great stuff man
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 3, 2008 16:21
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On 2008-05-03 00:19, Cannabis wrote:
Colin,
I find that the levels of Kick and Bass and low freqs, which should have been filtered in the mixing stage are very crucial as how the endproduct would sound. What do you recommend for levels RMS/Peak for this category and cutoffs?
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I don't know man, it totally depends on the track. I balance my kick and bass with a combination of two different sets of speakers, my fingers on the edge of the speaker cone, my two spectrum analysers and the input meters on the Compounder. The aim is to get the kick just a little louder and heavier than the bass, by a certain amount. 2dB is mentioned sometimes but it's whatever sounds best. Choosing HPF cutoff frequencies is also best done on a per-sound basis; at a minimum I aim to remove everything below 80Hz on non-kick/bass sounds, and raise the cutoff depending on the sound's character and intended place in the mix. From reading in here it seems I generally HP at lower frequencies than many other people.
Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
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Posted : May 4, 2008 15:56
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Cheers Colin. I'll have to check that out. At the moment I only use the Bass Expand function to kind of simulate a bassy PA system. Or when the studio gets too hot so that the wind from the bass reflex ports cools me off.
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Phutureprimitive
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Posted : May 7, 2008 05:29
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Hi all,
Just a heads up that I offer Mixing and Mastering Services here at Phutureprimitive Studios.
Things to consider:
* Intimate experience with music production (Electronica, Techno, House, Trance, Psy, Downtempo, Vocals, etc..,) since 1992.
* Extensive knowledge of Mixing, Mastering, Bit Depth, Sample Rate, Jitter, Compression, Equilization, FX, Dither, Conversion, Phase Correlation,
Audio Editing, etc...
* Maintaining dynamics while mixing and mastering is a key element to producing a quality musical result.
* Squashing the life out of a track to get an extra dB only diminishes it's quality.
* Equipment is only as good as the ears and skills of the engineer driving it.
If you're looking for Mixes and Masters that are full of warmth, life, dynamic range and just sound damn good, you have found it!
MASTERING: $30 per track (Tracks under 10 minutes in length. Tracks over 10 minutes are negotiated on a per customer basis depending on length.)
MIXING: Cost is negotiated on a per project basis.
For more information including file submission process, please contact: rain@phutureprimitive.com
Cheers,
~Rain
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Colin OOOD
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MadScientist
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Posted : May 7, 2008 20:55
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 spammers! 
didnt we have another thread for such stuff?!
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Posted : May 8, 2008 19:28
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On 2008-04-25 21:12, Colin OOOD wrote:
blah blah blah links and processing chains blah blah
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Great post Colin, thanks. Helps wonders to hear A/B comparisons all on the same track. I think I just leveled up in Mastering skill. |
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Phutureprimitive
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Posted : May 11, 2008 03:19
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Hey guys,
I did look around before posting that info, and figured given the topic of this thread, it was fitting. If there was a more appropriate place to post it I apologize. I don't spend much time on forums, so perhaps my etiquette is sub par. Great thread though! Lots of good advice.
Cheers,
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Phutureprimitive
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Posted : May 11, 2008 03:49
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On 2008-04-25 21:12, Colin OOOD wrote:
OOOD - Free Range - Mastering Comparison.mp3
http://mastering.psytunes.info/OOOD_-_Free_Range_-_Mastering_Comparison.mp3
0:00 - 0:48 Smoke A Lot (unmastered)
0:48 - 1:36 Smoke A Lot (Mastering A)
1:36 - 2:16 Oh My (unmastered)
2:16 - 2:57 Oh My (Mastering B)
2:57 - 3:56 Marijuajuana (unmastered)
3:56 - 4:55 Marijuajuana (Mastering A)
4:55 - 5:54 Eye of the Beholder (unmastered)
5:54 - 6:53 Eye of the Beholder (Mastering A)
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Colin,
Great post mate! Helpful to see a side by side comparison with detailed info on the mastering chain. I've read good things about the Compounder, but never knowingly heard one. Nice work!
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Nectarios
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Alien Bug
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Posted : May 15, 2008 14:11
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Hi! Its about mix not mastering but i dont find any topic about mix.
Heres my problem: my monitors was crash and now I must work on headphones 
Can anyone say how its sounds on normal sound system: http://www.sendspace.com/file/twuhr0
Its kick (+chh) and bass only.
On headphones it sounds good but You know... its not a monitors...
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