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The Mother of all LEADS thread
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 11:20
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well dj chichke,
if vanguard dont works for you, its ok.
but then again, dont preach that its shit, because YOU dont get any good results with it.
if youre going for THAT pro sound, you really think, not using vanguard does the trick?
please show me some of your work, i want to hear it 
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MeditationProfonde
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 12:11
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Hi all ! I'm new ! I'm french and i'm learning music production.
I'm completely fan of Absolum's music, and i was wondering if you could help me about some of his leads.
http://www.myspace.com/christofabsolum
I would like to know how to make the lead heard in "basic survival instinct" at 1:40
i have no idea how to do this.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 12:44
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On 2009-10-29 11:20, orgytime wrote:
well dj chichke,
if vanguard dont works for you, its ok.
but then again, dont preach that its shit, because YOU dont get any good results with it.
if youre going for THAT pro sound, you really think, not using vanguard does the trick?
please show me some of your work, i want to hear it
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i didn't say that i'm a sound master or that my sound is amazing. i didn't even try even to use vangard for the last few months. it's not that you can't do cool things to do with it. you can do a lot with it. but the sound quality it's just not good enough. the algoritem of this vst sn not good enough.
it's like using fruity loops instead logic or cubase. you can do the same in fruity loops but it will sound better if you do it on cubase or logic. it's like using not very good eq or good compressors. i personally can't tell you the difference but i prefer to listen to people with a lot of experience and believe them about sound quality and about the result you get in the end of your track.if you use better vst's, better equipment and better siquencer your result will be better for sure. |
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killik
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 14:40
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that absolum track lead sounds just like white noise with resonance and automated cutoff freq |
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icedice
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 16:09
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i didn't say that i'm a sound master or that my sound is amazing. i didn't even try even to use vangard for the last few months. it's not that you can't do cool things to do with it. you can do a lot with it. but the sound quality it's just not good enough. the algoritem of this vst sn not good enough.
it's like using fruity loops instead logic or cubase. you can do the same in fruity loops but it will sound better if you do it on cubase or logic. it's like using not very good eq or good compressors. i personally can't tell you the difference but i prefer to listen to people with a lot of experience and believe them about sound quality and about the result you get in the end of your track.if you use better vst's, better equipment and better siquencer your result will be better for sure.
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Oh no.... Who decides what is the "pro sound", you?
Lot's of ppl gets great sound from fruity...
http://forum.isratrance.com/famous-artists-using-fruityloops/
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 16:20
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On 2009-10-29 12:44, dj chichke wrote:
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On 2009-10-29 11:20, orgytime wrote:
well dj chichke,
if vanguard dont works for you, its ok.
but then again, dont preach that its shit, because YOU dont get any good results with it.
if youre going for THAT pro sound, you really think, not using vanguard does the trick?
please show me some of your work, i want to hear it
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i didn't say that i'm a sound master or that my sound is amazing. i didn't even try even to use vangard for the last few months. it's not that you can't do cool things to do with it. you can do a lot with it. but the sound quality it's just not good enough. the algoritem of this vst sn not good enough.
it's like using fruity loops instead logic or cubase. you can do the same in fruity loops but it will sound better if you do it on cubase or logic. it's like using not very good eq or good compressors. i personally can't tell you the difference but i prefer to listen to people with a lot of experience and believe them about sound quality and about the result you get in the end of your track.if you use better vst's, better equipment and better siquencer your result will be better for sure.
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I'm not sure how you managed, but EVERY single statement in that post is utterly misguided and wrong.
Where on earth do you get these ideas???
edit -> wait, the part that you can do cool things with vanguard is correct |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 16:47
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On 2009-10-29 16:20, Inner Demon wrote:
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On 2009-10-29 12:44, dj chichke wrote:
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On 2009-10-29 11:20, orgytime wrote:
well dj chichke,
if vanguard dont works for you, its ok.
but then again, dont preach that its shit, because YOU dont get any good results with it.
if youre going for THAT pro sound, you really think, not using vanguard does the trick?
please show me some of your work, i want to hear it
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i didn't say that i'm a sound master or that my sound is amazing. i didn't even try even to use vangard for the last few months. it's not that you can't do cool things to do with it. you can do a lot with it. but the sound quality it's just not good enough. the algoritem of this vst sn not good enough.
it's like using fruity loops instead logic or cubase. you can do the same in fruity loops but it will sound better if you do it on cubase or logic. it's like using not very good eq or good compressors. i personally can't tell you the difference but i prefer to listen to people with a lot of experience and believe them about sound quality and about the result you get in the end of your track.if you use better vst's, better equipment and better siquencer your result will be better for sure.
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I'm not sure how you managed, but EVERY single statement in that post is utterly misguided and wrong.
Where on earth do you get these ideas???
edit -> wait, the part that you can do cool things with vanguard is correct
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what make you to be so sure that vangard is so good? |
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 16:56
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noone said that "its so good", it was just you, who said
"vanguard quality sucks, you cant use it for real quality sound"
what is simply not right imo.
i think its better we quitt that discussion for now
peace
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dj chichke
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 17:08
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On 2009-10-29 16:56, orgytime wrote:
noone said that "its so good", it was just you, who said
"vanguard quality sucks, you cant use it for real quality sound"
what is simply not right imo.
i think its better we quitt that discussion for now
peace
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peace in the middle east |
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 17:26
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I'm the mayor of what sounds good and what doesn't.
Vanguard sounds good.
/discussion
There's no good or bad in this, it's just how you use it. Some people say albino3 is crap for making bass, but I've heard some people make awesome bass from it. Just one example, but this type of talk is always happening and no one is more right than anyone else. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Cannabis
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 17:27
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A synth is just as good as the sound designer using it.
Amen
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 17:41
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On 2009-10-29 16:47, dj chichke wrote:
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On 2009-10-29 16:20, Inner Demon wrote:
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On 2009-10-29 12:44, dj chichke wrote:
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On 2009-10-29 11:20, orgytime wrote:
well dj chichke,
if vanguard dont works for you, its ok.
but then again, dont preach that its shit, because YOU dont get any good results with it.
if youre going for THAT pro sound, you really think, not using vanguard does the trick?
please show me some of your work, i want to hear it
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i didn't say that i'm a sound master or that my sound is amazing. i didn't even try even to use vangard for the last few months. it's not that you can't do cool things to do with it. you can do a lot with it. but the sound quality it's just not good enough. the algoritem of this vst sn not good enough.
it's like using fruity loops instead logic or cubase. you can do the same in fruity loops but it will sound better if you do it on cubase or logic. it's like using not very good eq or good compressors. i personally can't tell you the difference but i prefer to listen to people with a lot of experience and believe them about sound quality and about the result you get in the end of your track.if you use better vst's, better equipment and better siquencer your result will be better for sure.
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I'm not sure how you managed, but EVERY single statement in that post is utterly misguided and wrong.
Where on earth do you get these ideas???
edit -> wait, the part that you can do cool things with vanguard is correct
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what make you to be so sure that vangard is so good?
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Well, for one I'd say its one of the maybe top 5 most used synths for trance production ever. So it would seem it works for other people 
Cannabis is right, and this is not just synths but sequencers, EQ, and everything else.
An excellent producer can make a great song with standard equipment while a bad producer can't make it even with the most expensive gear. It's in the ears, not the gear. Not a single synth of the ones popularly discussed in this forum is in any way inadequate to make trance. |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 20:53
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Well, for one I'd say its one of the maybe top 5 most used synths for trance production ever. So it would seem it works for other people
Cannabis is right, and this is not just synths but sequencers, EQ, and everything else.
An excellent producer can make a great song with standard equipment while a bad producer can't make it even with the most expensive gear. It's in the ears, not the gear. Not a single synth of the ones popularly discussed in this forum is in any way inadequate to make trance.
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off course the ears are more important than the gear. but the gear is also important.
i bought dynaaudio monitors last weak and it's so much better than the berningher. it's much easier to work if it. the sound is so clean!
anyway there is such thing as better or worse algoritem for vst's. there are vst's with better sound and vst's with worse sound. like there are telvisions with better sight and telivions with worse sight.
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 21:17
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What makes one synth sound better than another? I'm no pro on synth creation, but what I have seen makes me skeptical to think that this exists (a detectable difference in sound).
ESPECIALLY considering all the tracks that I have heard that use Vanguard.
Producers/djs/musicians constantly say stuff like, this thing sucks, or this whatever sounds like shit. Sometimes just because they've spent a lot of time doing this doesn't mean that what they say is completely true. They might just be jaded . http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 29, 2009 21:55
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When you listen a Virus for the first time then you understand there are actually machines that sound better than others...
I wouldm't know exactly how to put it in words... i guess it is something like "resolution"... the way sound is generated, modulated and distorted in good machines sounds much more defined.
Vanguard is not a bad synth, it is great and has been used too much... but compare with sylenth1, or gladiator for example... it just doesn't sound with enough edge... it can be fixed with inserted distortion / commpressor / exiters tho.
But there is an audible difference between synths that makes one better than others, or more suitable for a certain job.
I would chose vanguard for uplifting trancesaws but use surge instead (for example) for FM leads since vanguard doesn't even features good FM synthesis. |
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