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The Mother of all KICK DRUMS thread
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diskonekt
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 13:54
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On 2005-06-14 00:12, EYB wrote:
In fruity loops u can also use the samplers 'POGO' knob to tweak ur average kick to and killer kick 
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I make extensive use of the POGO in almost every track , applying a little bit though cause it seems to me that it makes kix soundig kinda "thin"..."plastic"
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 16:34
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Yes, i also use it much. It is also useful for all other drums in many cases 
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sy000321
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Posted : Jun 20, 2005 12:42
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heheheheh... the FL way
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Yiannis
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 10:49
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Hello there !
Could someone please send me in this email klaint@hotmail.com the Infected Mushroom's Kick tutorial? I did download it sometime ago but i can't find it !
I will really appreciate it ! |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 20:50
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Recently I grabbed a 'how to make a kick drum' tutorial off of here (can't remember which post) and had a go at it with Gmedia's Minimonsta. I have now found my favorite synth for kicks. In addition, I've finally figured out how to control various aspects of my kick.
Here's a synopsis of what I've been doing:
First I crank the resonance the full, and the env. amount to full. For the Filter Env, I set the attack, sustain, and release to 0, and the decay to about 30%. For the Amp Env, I set the attack, sustain, and release to 0, and the decay to about 30%. Then I crank the filter down.
This is my starting point.
Now I'm a fan of having a kick in tune with my bass, so while my bass is playing I will tune my kick. I do this in several ways.
*Filter Cutoff:
The filter cutoff dictates the lowest frequency my kick will reach, so this I set via the numbers as it will be a little low for my Event TR8s to reproduce. I set it to around 20Hz, depending on what key I'm in. 20Hz is a little low for PAs, but I'll highpass the kick later and like it to behave as if it's going down to 20Hz or so.
*Filter Envelope Sustain:
Once I have the filter cutoff set, I'll start adjusting my Filter env. sustain to fine tune the kick's pitch. More sustain and the kick will start to go up in pitch. If you can't hear this, increase the filter env decay a bit and maybe the amp env decay, until you start to hear a tone in the kick. I'll adjust this until it's in tune with my bassline.
*Filter Envelope Decay:
Then I'll adjust the filter env decay, which sets how fast the filter sweeps down to the frequency set by the filter cutoff. This is KEY when I'm getting my kick and bassline to gel together as the length of my kick ought to compliment the length of my bass notes.
*Amplitude Envelope Decay:
Then I'll go in and tweak the amp env decay amount, which affects how long the kick lasts. Too much and my kick will be flabby and still be playing when my bass comes in, too little and I won't get any low frequencies.
*Filter Envelope Amount/Filter Resonance:
The env amount and resonance will impact how much pop/crack is in the kick (I like kicks with lots of crack, mmm!), with varying results.
Sometimes I'll shave off some of the pop by increasing the amplitude env attack, or make the pop a little 'pocky' by increasing the filter envelope attack, there's a lot of variation to be had in the sound of a kick.
At this point my kick will start to sound a little bit like my bass notes. This is when I switch over to my bass synth and start tweaking that, trying to get it closer to the kick. I've found that the key to this is on the bass's decay and sustain on the filter envelope and on the amplitude filter. When I get it close, I switch back over to the kick and tweak a little bit more, then back to the synth, etc.
Your desired results may vary, but my goal is to get my bass sounding like my kick and my kick sounding like my bass, until there's almost a constant droning bass sound of whatever key I'm in.
When I'm done I'll bounce a single hit of the kick to wave, make a few short versions (for fast rolls of the kick drum) and voila, I'm done.
Happy tweaking!
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martyn
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 03:54
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Hey, thank you very much, alex! One Question: Do you tweak the kick and the bassline until they fit together in different (bassline-) keys or only in a single key?
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Jun 22, 2005 13:36
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You're welcome.
Since part of the 'fit' is dependent on the notes in the bassline I do tweaking for a single key.
If I had a track that had a key change that lasted for a while I would make a second version of my bass and kick for that key change to guarentee that they sat well together for that portion of the song.
If it was just a quick jump to another key, I probably wouldn't bother, but only out of laziness. |
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piXan
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Posted : Jul 1, 2005 18:08
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On 2005-06-13 12:07, -*protoculture*- wrote:
Haven't seen anyone mention battery here yet... dunno bout everyone else, but for me I could'nt do any percussion with out it. Just the pitch envelope generators were enough to get me hooked. You can put anything in there and tweak it a bit to get a descent kick sound. Then if you want to get adventurous, its sample accurate so you can layer 100 different kick sounds on top of one another if you wish...
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im with u man , battery is the way, i couldnt do what i do on audio tracks or step sequenceers like reason or fruity... im happy im not the only one who thinks so, thanx nate!
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EYB
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 07:52
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There is nothing special with battery IMO.
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Zoolog
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 11:27
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Answer: Emagic's "ES1" on Preset "Resokick" in the drum section.... this beats most things... right? |
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Ringo Gringo
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 15:41
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Right!
Your ancestors probably got raped by my ancestors....
TOTAL VIKING POWER!!!
And may the Forest be With You... |
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piXan
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 17:14
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On 2005-07-02 07:52, EYB wrote:
There is nothing special with battery IMO.
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well i think the envelopes in battery are great, also the way it works with the cubase mixer makes very natural sondung drums
cubase+battery rocks!!
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Psychoactive
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 18:46
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I recentley read an aticle by scissor sisters and interestingly they layer inesx24 its made for the job. tried it and its really good for snare layering also. always a million and one ways. I think pitching enveloping eqing boosting makes the difference. |
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DJ Megan
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Posted : Aug 12, 2005 10:29
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Can anyone tell me how to make a reversed kick in Logic pro 7? If not than maybe where I can find one. I'm new at this game. Thanx Megs |
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DJ Megan
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Posted : Aug 12, 2005 10:30
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