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The Mother of all KICK DRUMS thread
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 8, 2015 16:26
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Posted : Oct 8, 2015 19:05
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updated it with more suitable preset and global output volume knob.
strange ensemble, it seems the kicks can be kinda organic sounding |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Oct 9, 2015 04:21
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thanks m8! will take a look in just a moment and let you know. since you're into Reaktor building, have you tried doing anything blocks related yet?
some interesting stuff showing for it, both comercial and user library ones. the stock modules are good enough to regard it highly on its own to, similar to the scope you get with the Nord Modular, me thinks - which is quite an achievement by itself, but guessing this think will only continue to grow. |
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Posted : Oct 9, 2015 10:31
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yw ,i added a second ensemble for more traditonal kicks that use R6 elements.. i did a few blocks the first days it was out just to check out( simple stuff like mixer, crossfader..)but now no need, some skilled guys share excelent stuff on the user library !
if i have time i might try to do my kick synth as a block . i made also a bassline block modular but everyone can do in R6.
i didn't check commercial block if it s cheap and soundgreat whynot. |
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Posted : Oct 9, 2015 11:49
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updated with bug fix and more snapshots, there is one ens i called organic kick, attack sound softer than my usual kick, and second ensemble kick generator, attack sound more like my usual psy kick, more agressive attack stage ( more suited for slighty higher frequencies attack ). on the organic kick it s almost possible to make sort of hybrid psy kick sounding between electronic and acoustic, also more suited for experimental stuff but it can do usual kicks too, kick generator is probably more suited for usual fullon kick |
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woodster77
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Posted : Oct 9, 2015 15:58
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cheers POM
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Posted : Mar 2, 2016 20:07
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I was searching google for the latest "inflated potato kicks for the psy trance of tomorrow" and found this thread, nice.
On a (only very slightly more) serious note I had read there was a Mother of all kicks thread somewhere online or a "Psy kickswap" I imagine this is the one.
I enjoy Bazzism use but am always open to a few of the best samples. Thanks |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 5, 2016 20:55
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Posted : Apr 6, 2016 00:32
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i never put reverb on kick but i notice many tracjs with reverb in the kick
if i would put it..i sould send for a bus/send channel and filter all the reverb less the click of the kick
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 6, 2016 01:31
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I found an old thread on www.psytrance.pl by Kino Oko that has written some interesting stuff regarding that issue. It's deep and a bit complex to translate it all properly for me. It's in polish. Well here is a link in case one will try to translate:
http://www.psytrance.pl/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=983&start=60
The relevant post is written on -Śr wrz 26, 2007 2:44 pm-
He more or less describes he connects sometimes the kick channel with two sends. Using prefader and the same reverbs on two buses that are going back to the kick channel.
He writes more or less that duration of the reverb must be very tiny - around 1 to 4 ms of lenghts..
He equalizes one of this buses with a lp on 200Hz. The other with a hp on 200Hz. Coherent settings of eq.
Than compression if needed and a few things more. This is just a rough and way too short translation.
I found it interesting and have tried it. I came to a result that sounded interesting to me, not boxy or etc, but still not sure if its much better than kick alone without all this processing. Need to analyze it more with fresh ears later.
Any ideas or thaughts about reverbs on kicks would be interesting for me.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 7, 2016 02:11
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Some people do it, mostly in other genres of electronica.
You guys nailed it on the head, I think: it's best to use an auxiliary/fx channel for it, so as to preserve the original Kick, and you can and should post process this other channel with an EQ, mostly to clear out the lows, 'cause that's where you don't want to mess with stereo effects of any kind. But it's certainly not just about the click, that's to far up to mean anything, except perhaps making the attack of the sound a bit more stereo - which can help, of course, but there's other ways to do it, with less of a "blur" effect. I think you need more frequencies then that, otherwise it doesn't even make any sense to go for something like this.
Doing it in parallel is good in that you can shape it anyway you want. I'd probably compress it heavily, then slowly mix it with the original until I notice the effect clearly, adjust the channel's EQ until it sounds nice, then back up the volume a little bit. Compression here means aggressively squashing the sound, 'cause you only need as much of it as a whisper, it's there, but you almost couldn't tell before you bypass it kind of deal.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 7, 2016 05:02
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+1 on compression. Such apporach sounds interesting.
As far as I understood what Kino Oko said on that issue, he mentiones that one of them two sends is dedicated to the lows. And while the other send that goes to the highs sends a room with 1-4ms lenght, the lower one can sometimes accept even a longer roomlenght. But than things can get out of phase, so taking care of the phase is essential here.
If using Roomworks Reverb on these sends than sometimes the parameter variation can correct phase fast. Paz analyzer or something similar should be on constant look. Some Imager or maybe basslane or an exciter with bands to control the lower in mono or something else could probably help.
Didn't tried it that way so far but liked it even withot chekcing phase etc its nice also to shape the color on the sends.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 7, 2016 07:48
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yes, or just using a high pass filter set to side on a mid/side EQ with a sharp slope.
I think that making sure everything blends in well and being really careful with the mixing of the layers, there's really no limits as far as sound design goes. Phase is not a real issue when you can select from multiple bounced ones, pick the best and just use that one sample. I imagine EQ playing a big role when using longer rever times on lower frequencies. Must be because of the texture, but EQ the parts that just add mud out (no mercy...), compress and mix. Mid/Side EQ after all this jazz and it should be ok as long as it sounds good. |
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