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The Mother of all BASSLINES thread
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Dogon
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Posted : Dec 12, 2008 15:05
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On 2005-02-22 01:28, s0ft wrote:
vanguard is really under rated. give it a try.
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true that!
also i like Muon Tao Pro!
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PsychoCinese
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Posted : Jan 7, 2009 19:21
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D.H.P.
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 11:21
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Can some please explain the purpose and function of compression and how to apply it to a psytrance bassline? And when do I need to apply it? I am not familiar with compression except for sidechain.
Thanks in advance.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 11:50
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A compressor compresses an incoming signal by the amount depicted by the ratio/slope and threshold parameters. The time at which the compressor will start compressing the signal, once its crossed over the threshold level and the time the compressor will stop compressing the signal after the signal has dropped below the threshold level, is respectively governed by the attack and release parameters.
So if for instance you have a signal with loud peaks, you use a compressor with fast attack setting and bring them peaks down.
Generaly speaking, in electronic music where synths are used with a constand velocity, you have a much more uniform level than real instruments where people are not computers and can't play (or simply don't want to for the sake of a performance) at a constant velocity. Although you can still use a compresor to create your own effect.
For example if you want the initial transient of a bassline to be more prominent, instead of boosting the mids with some EQ, you can have a compressor with a slower attack that allows the transient through, uncompressed and then slams down on the sustain stage of each note. It sounds quite different than using EQ. If you have a bassline with a really "clicky" attack that goes through the roof, you "catch" them transients with a fast attack setting and depending on how loud the transient is, you apply a relevant ratio and threshold setting.
The ratio is the amount of compression, for a given number on incoming decibels..for example a 4:1 ratio, means that for every 4dB that have exceeded the threshold level, in the input stage, you will have a 1dB increase on the output stage.
Then there is also the knee parameter which governs the way compression is going to work on the signal. A hard knee, is pretty much instantaneous, whereas a soft knee involves a more gentle approach.
A gain reduction meter shows the amount of gain reduction in dB the compressor applies in the signal.
I think I've covered the basics. Feel free to add any more info.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 12:04
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Kanyon
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 12:57
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D.H.P.
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 02:06
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@ pipe&slippers & Freeflow:
Both the post and the wiki link are excellent complementary to one another. Thanks guys.
I can hear the difference now. It allows my bassline to cut through the mix more.
Here's an example of what I came up with:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4cwzgm |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 03:08
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I love those compressors were you see when the signal gets compressed... Gain reduction meters
but yes a little compressing on the bass can make it come through better, but too much and it will lose bottom end and sound too thin...
sometimes its great to compress them together on a group channel
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 03:16
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http://www.sendspace.com/file/nlq8uc
This is just compressed on the groupchannel.. nothing on separate channels...
but there is limiting on the master, waves L2 and Nomad factory blue tubs stereo imager and run through T-racks loud and clear preset but rolling off some Dbs on the compressor and soft clipper...
Gonna go work some more on it right now 
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.Awl
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 01:49
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Is it ok to put a bass under a kick? (reducing bass velocity to 40% for example). I've noticed that sometimes it gives flow to kick\bass combination. On my monitors that sounds nice, especially when the kick is tuned so that it nearly has no low freqs in it. The scheme looks like this
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smehoparanoya
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 03:51
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whatever goes
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Kellimus
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 22:16
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Well it depends on what style of Psychedelic Trance I'm producing...
If its Goa, then I usually use Albino, or the Muon Tau for the 303 sound. I sometimes use VB-1 (For example, my Montoxin track uses it) for the basslines in Goa, but more or less the Albino 2, and Muon Tau. I sometimes add an Exciter onto it, to give it more of a presence, and a THUMP.
If its for Psy-Trance, I use the VB-1. I have no use for anything else, in my opinion its the best one to use for the Full-On Psy-Trance stuff be it Dark, Light, whatever.
I usually throw on an Exciter and Masterer onto it as well, after I've tweaked with it to get that sound I want.
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Kellimus
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 22:18
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On 2009-01-14 01:49, .Awl wrote:
Is it ok to put a bass under a kick? (reducing bass velocity to 40% for example). I've noticed that sometimes it gives flow to kickbass combination. On my monitors that sounds nice, especially when the kick is tuned so that it nearly has no low freqs in it. The scheme looks like this
K _ _ _
B B B B
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If you wanna get a sound like Time Warp - Penta then yeah, you can do that.
I usually put my basslines in between the kicks so I don't muffle out my kick. I don't really try to get the hi-end kicks, I'm more into the low booming kicks, and the present thumping basslines to get the feeling like I'm rattling my insides.
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Kane
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 01:33
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On 2009-01-26 22:16, Kellimus wrote:
If its for Psy-Trance, I use the VB-1. I have no use for anything else, in my opinion its the best one to use for the Full-On Psy-Trance stuff be it Dark, Light, whatever.
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A good "default", no doubt, but not very dynamic imo.
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jizy
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