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D.H.P.
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 20:12
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It seems in this topic a lot of people are talking about achieving that perfect Full-on bass line sound. It's got old now.
So what I am interested in is making goa bass. What are some of the patterns used in goa? As there are ways to construct full-on bass how can I construct a goa bass sound (I know there is more than one way). To me it sounds as if there is more to it then a basic saw wave.
And how about discussion on dark bass sounds. There are some very creative ways to come up with dark bass lines.
For example, I sampled a bass note from an arcade sounds sample bank. The result: I got a dark gritty sounding bass that happened to work very well with the pattern and the kick after note length adjustment, some compression and EQ. I was just fooling around and, Blamo!, it worked. |
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smehoparanoya
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 01:43
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goa dates back to the nineties, and what was available in the 90s? Hardware synths, goa bass is really easy, the trick is in the note pattern for good bassline, or no trick for simple one. Same as full-on but no major equing and no compression 
edit: you gotta have an old-school kick to go with it   Monitoring devices, know where you go
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 09:19
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i heard about:
you take the subs from a sinewave (EQ), and the rest of example a saw (also EQ), and then play them together. but i dont know why, i know sine got nice deeps, but im pretty happy with my sawtooth at this time 
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 15, 2009 16:59
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That's a simple full on kick bass done with sylenth and a good kick with some atmos on top.
The bass is not even eqed although it would definetly need some, I'm just making a point here. the kick is the real reason why the bass sound like that...
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 15, 2009 17:42
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sly
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Posted : Mar 15, 2009 20:17
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On 2009-02-16 20:12, D.H.P. wrote:
It seems in this topic a lot of people are talking about achieving that perfect Full-on bass line sound. It's got old now.
So what I am interested in is making goa bass. What are some of the patterns used in goa? As there are ways to construct full-on bass how can I construct a goa bass sound (I know there is more than one way). To me it sounds as if there is more to it then a basic saw wave.
And how about discussion on dark bass sounds. There are some very creative ways to come up with dark bass lines.
For example, I sampled a bass note from an arcade sounds sample bank. The result: I got a dark gritty sounding bass that happened to work very well with the pattern and the kick after note length adjustment, some compression and EQ. I was just fooling around and, Blamo!, it worked.
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dunno about goa. i guess paranoya is right
look for an huge oldschool kick. bit higher root key but pitched over less octaves. make amp+pitch envelope longer than usual.
basslines really sound a bit like sinewaves with resonance. but make your own neo-goa bass, i guess it's better...
seems you found out about dark basslines yourself pretty much everything possible. doesn't mean it's less difficult to make a killer bassline compared to other styles. i suggest a saw on low root freq and heavy use of distortion. rest same as ever.
i would use a synth instead of sampled notes. it's better adjustable and you can bounce as audio altough. especially you can make dfferent smples with changes on freq, envelopes and plugs. morphing and changing basslines make you fly trough the night 
@orgytime: sine waves have no upper harmonics. it's possible to underline a sub lacking bass without affecting the rest. saw and square waves also have the deeps but more harmonics. i don't know the reason why this has been done. could be it was a matter of the root key. if a saw placed too low, the upper harmonics sound harsh. if placed too high the subs are lacking. with todays plugins no problem of course. i don't like sines in my bass anywayz. still happy with saw-like waveforms
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Becktrank
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Posted : Mar 16, 2009 22:57
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i would use a synth instead of sampled notes.
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Can you explain me what is the purpose of sampling notes from a synth, intead of using the synth itself?
thank`s
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 16, 2009 23:02
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if the ocliators are unstable ,envelopes or sync phase issues u would sample the bassline notes, as they would be much tighter
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sly
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Posted : Mar 16, 2009 23:34
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yes, osc's often can't handle very fast deep notes. doesen't mean u have to start from audio material. just bounce some bars of your bassline and have a look at the audio files. it depends on the synth and settings how stable the waveforms are. maybe it's better to make cuts/fade outs, rearrange or load into a sampler. with sample-based synths like trilogy it's not necessary. |
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Alternative control
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 11:54
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yes but trilogy sounds falling a part , non phat at all .....
Sampling is important , almost all analog based sounding vst are enevlope unstable and each note doesnt start from the same point , so thats why you hear like your bassline is changing . thats why ppl sample it and then they are 100 % sure that each note of the bass sounds the same.
But in my personall taste with a really nice machine even if your bassline is a moving a bit ,it doesnt effect the whole groove and basicclly within the whole mix it cant be heard at all.
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Greententacle
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 12:40
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Made a bassline (fat,deep one) with Zebra 2 (i love it) and there is moving nothing, no need to sample it! |
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Becktrank
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 16:01
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thanks guy, sometimes i felt that with my baslline on ABL2.
But, what`s the best way to sample the notes? Like, bounce all the bar of the bassline, and then open in a editor and cut the notes while looking the wave? Or bounce note by note? Or there is a better way that i m missing?
Thanks!
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 16:38
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Becktrank
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 16:45
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``LOL no, not draw in new attacks for each note, that would be a sign of madness.
I meant "record a few repeats of your bassline, edit out one note at each pitch that has the attack you need, stick them in a sampler and use the samples to replay the original bassline". ``
Not sooo briefly for me, but thanks it helped
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 16:58
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well there is only one way and that is to record each bar of your bassline, cut edit sampler
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