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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 26, 2008 21:11
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On 2008-08-26 20:49, FreakBugS wrote:
Ascension,
I guess its a bug between VB-1 and Live, here I got the same problem...
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Ok. I assume my other plug-in (can't remember its name) is the same way.
Got any suggestions for a good bass vsti for ableton?
It's good to know that it's not me atleast    http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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brudelarge
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Posted : Aug 26, 2008 21:20
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I use VB1 in live...
Here is how i bring this to ableton...
1st i open the cubase vst folder in my computer is: C:/steinberg/vstplugins
then i copy the vb-1.dll archive to the folder that i select to be the plugin folder 4 ableton live.... in my computer is C:\program files\vstplugins ...
then i open the ableton and go to option preferences...there will have a thing were u select the vst folder and in side of this have a button named RESCAN....just click over there and the vb1 will apear in the plugins folder. =D
I hope it helps...
in this folder i drop all my .dll archives (dll is the format of all vsts) |
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 26, 2008 21:23
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 00:55
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reeps
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okay a few problems of mine, i would love some help with (full-on bassline).
i have about 6 different note lengths, using about 3 different velocities each in 5 different octaves;
what is the easiest way to sample these bass notes??? (does sampling it (Ala what broken toy said about faulty midi timing a very few pages back), really make it that much better?
also, whats the easiest way to stop the tail of the bass running onto the kick. Ive tried sidechain compression, but it seems to destroy the sound of my bass -> perhaps i am using it wrong -> what would be some appropriate parameters for my sc compressor -> perhaps large thresh, reasonable ratio, instant attack, 30ms release????
http://www.filefreak.com/pfiles/71257/bass22.mp3
here's a sample of what I'm working with - its vb1 with a bunch of plugins and eq.
does it sound alright, ive done some minor eqing but not much, also i think i should abandon the kick cause i dont really like it, but would like some advice from other people on it.
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sly
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 15:32
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i have about 6 different note lengths, using about 3 different velocities each in 5 different octaves;
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i can make fullon bassline with 1 length, 1 vel. and 1 oct. 
you really don't need that much different notes. if you like, o.k. then. but wtf you need 5 octs for bass?
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what is the easiest way to sample these bass notes??? (does sampling it (Ala what broken toy said about faulty midi timing a very few pages back), really make it that much better?
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i would stay in midi, after record whole bars of bassline, take the best ones, maybe split and rearrange. easiest way imo.
sure you can sample every single note and use a sampler. for me 2 much work and not flexible enough.
sampling doesn't make it better imo, but more stable. that means if you have your final bassline in audio (doesn't matter how you made it) it will constantly sound good. if you bounce the whole track with a synth playing the midi bassline you will have artifacts of filter envelope and stuff.
but you can do it in the very end, so it's always possible to adjust bassline while creating the track.
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also, whats the easiest way to stop the tail of the bass running onto the kick. Ive tried sidechain compression, but it seems to destroy the sound of my bass -> perhaps i am using it wrong -> what would be some appropriate parameters for my sc compressor -> perhaps large thresh, reasonable ratio, instant attack, 30ms release????
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you can do with amp envelopes of the synth and midi note lengths. or after bouncng you can split into 1/16th and make a fade out.
sidechain should't destroy your bass. try with attack about 50ms, release about 400ms, low ratio, maybe very low knee, adjust treshold that kick is compressing bass about 2-4db.
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does it sound alright, ive done some minor eqing but not much, also i think i should abandon the kick cause i dont really like it, but would like some advice from other people on it.
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it sounds alright. but your bass and kick shouldn't sound alright, they should make love
check 60 hz region, just 2 much there. and a bit of highcut maybe. you can also try a deeper root key for bass.
i guess your bunch of plugs make it sounding quite unnatural. i would stay with eq, comp and a bit of multiband distortion. just add plugs if you are very sure you need them.
and you could check the volume envelope. shape in vb, enveloper, transient designer, in audio, however...
one personal tip: try a different synth, it's so much fun to tweak a bassline. and you save plugs.
i.e. as soon i use rapture it's sounding like fullon. worth to try imo...
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Fingax
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mk47
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Posted : Aug 29, 2008 10:04
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afaik , nobody can make megaraver style basslines , he`s on a different level , nobody can come close .. but for this guy maybe .. www.myspace.com/babasystem , i heard shiva himself taught him 
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reeps
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Posted : Aug 30, 2008 09:41
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how to do you compress a bassline if all the notes are different lengths?
perhaps just leave a very long release - long enough for the longest notes?
and with the release on the compressor, does leaving it on for too long mean the attack of the following note is compressed?
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hugaw
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Posted : Aug 30, 2008 12:14
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do not compress... or just w/ kick (sidechain) |
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Aug 31, 2008 04:18
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reeps
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Posted : Aug 31, 2008 04:28
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On 2008-08-30 12:14, hugaw wrote:
do not compress... or just w/ kick (sidechain)
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alright cool thanks for the advice.
here is what im sounding like at the moment, i plan to play with quadrafuzz a little more and get a little distortion happening in the low-mid region, but i need someone else's opinion on my eq job.
http://www.filefreak.com/pfiles/71257/bassnew.mp3
any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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reeps
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Posted : Aug 31, 2008 13:41
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maybe i just really tired, but what am i supposed to be eq-ing? hahaha!
do i need to cut a hole for the kick in the bass? - ie cut my bass at 66hz if that is where the peak of my kick is? my bass isnt on the kick, and its a standard fullon bassline!
or am i just cutting to make the bass sound nicer?
for example around 800hz is where "muddy freq" are -> muddy b/w kick and bass, or muddy in the bass? likewise why around 250-300hz, to make the bass clearer?
sorry if they are dumb questions, but just wiggin out a bit over my whole strategy of eq!
cheers again
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mk47
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Posted : Aug 31, 2008 23:11
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numbers are useless , use your ear and cut / boost what u want
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hugaw
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Posted : Sep 1, 2008 00:21
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if u write the classic KbbbKbbbK u don't have to "cut a hole in the bass"...i don't understand what u mean |
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