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The Mother of all BASSLINES thread
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mescarajah
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 04:54
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mescarajah
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 04:59
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EDIT: Damn ... ive made a double post o.O sorry ; ) |
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Greententacle
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 11:08
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hey mescarajah, what´s THAT??? |
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mescarajah
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 18:36
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On 2007-07-07 11:08, Greententacle wrote:
hey mescarajah, what´s THAT???
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Ive reuploaded this jpg again with info for you hehe ;- ) |
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Greententacle
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Posted : Jul 7, 2007 20:01
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Cool!
So, let´s hear some example!! |
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Posted : Jul 11, 2007 16:12
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mescarajah
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Posted : Jul 12, 2007 20:04
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Buehehehee, example?
Shit, man ;- ) My post was a joke. This main topic is about a basslines so i put a tutorial for a killer bassline (which is hard to use with psytrance) It is rather like a comercial deep noise saw bass ;- ) sth like benassi stuff.
I can give you a example if you want but it will be even a bigger joke and you will trow eggs on me haha.
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Jaadoo
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Posted : Jul 12, 2007 20:08
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A bass sound without a matching kick is useless. You can't design a bass and call it good. It's like to say, I designed half of violin or half of piano.
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Domi
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Posted : Jul 12, 2007 20:31
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On 2007-07-12 20:08, Jaadoo wrote:
A bass sound without a matching kick is useless. You can't design a bass and call it good. It's like to say, I designed half of violin or half of piano. |
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i dont think so...this topic is about tuning basses...for sure a kick is important but we´re just talking about BASS ! go to kickdrum topic 
 https://soundcloud.com/twonzero-progressive/twonezero-alienpast-soon-on |
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N0MEX
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 02:23
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tau, vb, scorpion.. all these vst are have not enough fuction to make PERFECT bass. u can tweak great bass without any plugs on good synth...
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ufolog
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Posted : Jul 18, 2007 12:44
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N0MEX, like what?))
give us your version of synth for perfect bass,plz
my choice is Surge, by the way |
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WillianDiesel
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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 23:16
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For psy bass on vst, i like a ESM, Cronox 2 and Scorpion.
ESM is the easier, scorpion is easy, and cronox 2 is easy to medium dificult.
but all them have fat oscilators, specially ESM. |
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 11:30
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Can anyone suggest some tips to get good bass sound from VB-1 other than just EQ and compression!!? That's all I've been able to find in this thread!
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 14:50
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On 2007-07-24 11:30, Bloodclot wrote:
Can anyone suggest some tips to get good bass sound from VB-1 other than just EQ and compression!!? That's all I've been able to find in this thread!
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Notes between c0 and c1 using Synthi bass.
Add qudarfuzz, dont mess with it just add and play with knobs on the left a bit then add Rbass. increase gain at about 65hz
Finally Eq. Just do little notches dont cut off anything fully. The annoying freq are between 250 and 500 (I think.)
Remember the Kick also needs to sit nicely with the Bassline otherwise it might not sound too good.
Look at me....fuckin rookie giving advice and all.  try it out and see if it works. 
Also, in Psy-Forum, this guy called Speakafreaka has given a Superb tutorial on how to make a bassline in some detail, go through it. It might not be the bassline you're looking for but he explains everything very logically. MUST READ!!
Good Luck and let us know how far you get. Also, a good idea might be to post a sample of your results and then the pros will be in a much better position to tell you what more you will need to do.
Good Luck mate!!
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Jul 24, 2007 16:12
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On 2007-07-24 11:30, Bloodclot wrote:
Can anyone suggest some tips to get good bass sound from VB-1 other than just EQ and compression!!? That's all I've been able to find in this thread!
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Well, that's because EQ and compression are the fundamentals of good bass. And really it's all about the notch cuts in between your highpass and lowpass.
Here's a walkthrough:
Load up a kickdrum that you like and VB1. Set your midi patterns so your kick is playing and your bass is thrumming along at 16ths.
Throw a good EQ (Waves Q6 or something) and a good compressor on the bass channel.
Put a good EQ on the kickdrum (I usually don't compress the kick).
Now open up your kick EQ and the bass EQ and lay them side by side. At this point keep the bass compressor off. No side-chaining either. Just the kick and the bass and an EQ on each.
Assuming that you are using Wave's Q6, set EQ point 1 to a highpass turned to the minimum frequency and EQ point 6 to a lowpass turned to the highest frequency. Do this for both the kick and bass EQs.
Now listen to your subs, that's what we're going to set first. Start by sweeping the highpass on the kick's EQ (point 1) up until your kick sounds thin and weak. Now bring it down and listen to how the subs come back in. Where you stop hearing changes in the kick as you're sweeping the highpass is about where the kick loses intensity. You don't want to cut too much out of the kick, so you'll probably end up with it around 40hz (just a guess, it all depends on your kick), but familiarize yourself with the nature of your kick's subs - this will be crucial with the bass.
Now do the same with the bass's highpass. Sweep it up, then gently bring it back down until you feel your bass get meaty. At this point you're trying to get the sub-region balanced so that the kick and bass have a good match in sub energy. This doesn't mean equal energy, just a good match. You may need to boost your bass volume to bring up the sub energy. Yes it will sound loud and scratchy because you haven't EQ'd any of the high frequencies, but focus on the subs, the meat. Does it challenge the kick in energy or does it sound weak and thin? Do they compliment each other and have a rolling feeling?
I typically crank my speakers for this phase so that I can hear and *feel* the subs. Also try plugging your ears and biting the housing of one of your speakers. Think I'm crazy? Try it on a few tracks and notice what it's like to couple your spine to the speaker cabinet - totally new way to hear bass.
Anyways once you've balanced your subs bring your speaker volume back down and go get a beer or something, give your ears a break. Come back and hit play, turn the volume back up. Still sound good? If so, now let's roll off some of those annoying highs in the bass. Grab the lowpass (point 6) and bring it down, not too much, but enough to shave off the scratchy high frequencies. Somewhere around 1k, depending on the flavor of bass you're looking for. We've still got 4 EQ points to work with, so we'll get to the mud region around 800hz in a bit.
Do the same for the kick, bringing a lowpass down so that it balances with the bass.
Ok, so now you have a highpass on the kick (barely doing anything, maybe around 1kHz) and a highpass on the bass (mine usually end up around 900hz). You've got a lowpass on the kick and a lowpass on the bass.
Still sound like shit? Probably.
Now the fun part.
With the bass and kick EQ's still side by side, grab the second EQ point on the bass EQ and drag it around 250Hz. Set the Q to somewhere around 25 (the default of 7 is too low and will cut too much) or more. Drag the point around the 200-350Hz region. Hear what it does to your bass? Suddenly the bass has teeth, or claws. It's got character. Set this point carefully and then go to the kick EQ. Do the same thing, cutting around 250Hz, wiggling/adjusting the EQ point should reveal a spot where the bass suddenly sounds louder.
And that's the key - making the bass sound louder by cutting away frequencies.
Go back to the bass, make *careful* adjustments to your 250Hz cut point. Adjust the Q, adjust the amount of cut (negative gain), slightly change the frequency. Then go back to the kick and do the same. Back and forth, tweak tweak tweak, until you're satisfied.
Now you can go in with other cuts in the bass and kick, most notably at the bass's fundamental (around 40-60Hz) and keep cutting. Don't cut too much or it will sound thin, but pay attention to when your bass's 'teeth' get louder. Also cut around 800Hz to get out the mud, be vigorous there and use a low Q. Gouge out the mud (you may need to bring up the lowpass after cutting the mud).
At this point you've mangled the bass pretty good, but it's got character. Instead of sounding like someone hitting a bass drum it sounds like something growling. Growl is good.
Compression time.
But wait, why do we compress?
Because it makes things sound good? (maybe)
Because everyone says to? (no)
Because... uh... it affects the dynamics of a sound? (bingo!)
At this stage I use compression for one purpose - to make the attack portion of my bass notes louder. This gives them more punch and accentuates the growl aspect. To do this I'm going to use a compressor to make the sustain/release portions of my bass notes quieter, and then turn the whole thing up. Quieter sustain/release + turned up = louder attack. Make sense?
So pull up your compressor, after the EQ on the bass. Set the threshold to 0, Ratio to around 8:1, attack to 0, and release to maximum. Now drag down your threshold until you hear the bass get quieter. It's now being compressed at a ratio of 8:1 (a decent amount) with a loooooong release (which means the compressor pretty much never releases). Now bring your release down. We're working with 1/16 notes on a track somewhere around 145bpm. If we want the compressor to release fast enough on each note the release will need to be around 103milliseconds (1/(145/60)/4 ah, just take my word for it). At this point you should be using your ear anyways, turning the release down until you hear the bass coming up in volume. When this happens you've gone too far, turn the release back up. You want the compressor to stay engaged for the length of each 1/16th note. Any less and you're hearing the tail end of each note - we want to compress this portion so that we can let the front end through.
Front end? Oh yeah, the Attack setting.
But wait, before you tweak the attack adjust your makeup gain until the bass is at a suitable level. How much depends on how much attack you let through, so bring it up until the *compressed* bass is suitably loud.
Now grab the attack knob and let some initial bass transients through. somewhere around 20ms, depending on your tastes. Adjust the Attack knob and then the makeup gain. Then the release knob. Fine tuning everything (including the threshold and ratio).
Hopefully you'll find a spot where that character in the bass that you introduced with the 250Hz cut is emphasized by the compressor.
Does *that* help?????
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