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Neville Bone
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 12:54
He has some points which I agree with and others which I don't.
One can never be totally right on everything he says offcourse.
It's just a matter of opinions!
But I respect his good points.
Dark_Dork
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 17:11

Heh... Funny.
Sad but true.
Its up to us i suppose...
Kemic-Al
Kemic-Al

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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 17:42

Well you do have some points,in some cases I agree with you !! but the most part touches me the most is the last part, but you know what man just be creative do what you have to do if the labels don't like it, then they lump it ! and does not mean that is not good as you know ! fuck the main stream ! this is underground ! and it's Killah hahaha !!



Lux
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 18:55
Well said.

No comments.           Don't hope 2 much 4 something cause u may end up getting it...
DeSerT.StOrM


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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 21:11
if you have no comments then why did you comment?

I think you made some very good points. it can be very tedious to find some good music that i can really connect to sometimes. a lot of it sounds plastic and overproduced. it doesnt seem like there is enough heart in the music...or a lot of the community as a whole, not only the music.
JamesBong
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 21:19
Quote:

On 2005-04-20 23:07, Wayann wrote:
well finally someone that is realistic....

At the end it's all about sex...



lol
very Freudian point of view...but accurate.
Sarcastic or not, Kitnam did struck a nerve...this is the mirror of trance and trance is (almost) like he described it.
But letīs try to be optimist, theres still hope for trance....
Are YOU doing your part?


NeutroN
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 21:52
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On 2005-04-21 21:19, JamesBong wrote:
Are YOU doing your part?



yep, smoking the best of the best and paying for a few parties.           "Great things are only possible with outrageous requests." Thea Alexander
exotic
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 10:04
Quote:

On 2005-04-20 23:07, Wayann wrote:
well finally someone that is realistic....

At the end it's all about sex, this is what moves our asses and the rest (money&drugs&ego power mind games)

but once you understand that... you can go out and enjoy this beautiful life.....




totally agree           missing plug-in
psypox
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 11:05
best topic on isratrance ever!           www.myspace.com/psypox
TRapp
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Posted : Apr 23, 2005 12:11
KITAM you are a legend...REPRESENT!

i just love the DENIAL around here....its amazing...

anyways....maximum respact kitnam!

btw...what the fuck is this killer thingy?? thought tranc eppl were suppose to be peaceful drugged out hippy types(plur thingy) yet we use a maximum NEGATIVE word to describe a "good" piece of trance music, what the hell is up with that...do you know what killer means.....thats someone who kills someone....you know ..dead...negative energy...devoid of life....??

represent~~
deejayridoo
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 13:01
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There is always a mirror which shows you where you stay and what you do from the other perspective. You cant ignore the things which you want to blend out, they will always return to you. maybe sooner, maybe later.




indeed!
and... blending out the evil side of ones inner self (like "iīm good... the evil is outside of me and i donīt have anything to do with it...") is much more negative than facing it. otherwise itīs just superficial blabla

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This is the mirror for isratrance. Because I feel some unspoken and tabooistic things which Isratrance tried to blend out but will return on this way back. This is a mirror to Isratrance. Isratrance is a mirror to a big part of the trance-scene. And about the scene this is all about.



respect! in many threads we have discussed that by the way, but not as the major topic.
and our scene definitely needs some selfreflection or, even better, mirroring from outside. as many of us have interaction also outside of the scene, we can all contribute to this mirroring and thus reveal the many taboos, masked lies and ideologies which turn our formerly so open minded culture into a conservative, stupid and close minded scene...

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-Today every second track is a killer track, no one realy cares that 50% of the actual releases are just shit.




imo this is the result of commercialisation and the ego thing...
our formerly avangarde scene of experimentation and fun has partially turned into a very boring business.

Quote:

If you hold a big label and you have contact to young artists, fob them as much as you can, they mostly have not much experiences. Make big promises about livegigs in japan release their best tracks of them and break the contact and dont answer on emails if the youngsters want to have their money.



very sad, but definitely happening sometimes...
i personally would never intend to make a "career" in the psychedelic context. THIS CULTURE DOES NOT NEED STARDOM OR HIERARCHY. as goa gil says:
"Dance is active meditation. When we dance, we go beyond thought, beyond mind and beyond our own individuality to become one in the divine extasy of union with the cosmic spirit. This is the essence of the trance dance experience".
hierarchy, fame, stardom, coolness etc. donīt belong to the psychedelic nature at all.
IT LIES IN OUR HANDS TO BAN THIS SHIT!




deejayridoo
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 13:02
Quote:

- The mafia is a cool thing, they give you drugs and you give them money. Dont buy CDs with your money because you can get the music even from the internet. Spend your money to the drugs because you cant download them with soulseek. Spending money to the mafia will make our scene grow. plur!



omg, this is exactly what iīm often feeling like in the party context.
fortunately there are exceptions
diss the mafia and encourage the real music lovers/ artists/ dancers/ spiritual beings etc.!!!

Quote:

- Trancedance without taking drugs is a myth. Its not real. If you want to know what trance is, you have to listen to powermusic and eat pills or psychedelics.



once again - this is the result of our culture becoming more and more materialistic and the influence of turbo-capitalism and itīs ideology of omnipotent human...
no patience... just immediate gratification...


Quote:

- If you want to organize a period of tranceparties in some areas, you have to connect with the drugmafia. Otherwise the mafia will connect you and thats not good for your health. Remember that the trancecrowd pays the money for the mafia, not for the artists. Better be nice to them.




horror scenario, but once again, this is the reality, at least partially.



deejayridoo
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 13:03
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- People who try to tell you that something is not good for you, dont want to help you. They are bastards which want to destroy the fun and killer music. Give a fuck on them. If they say, they try to tell you from another perspective or want to improve, they lie, they are defeatists too!



exaggerated hedonism with a close minded totalitarian touch - itīs like the mentality of george w. bush and the likes (taliban, saudis, fundamentalists from all kind of backgrounds...): "youīr either our friend or our ennemy"... no grey scales, only black or white, good or evil...

Quote:

- If you are an artist and you want to release music, produce a 143-146 bpm track with a VB-1 bassline, melodic-synth-lines and the typical hihat-snare section. make whooshes and fillins at the breaks and put a nice voice-sample into the mainbreak. The people will call it killer. If you want to release creative trancemusic, no one realy cares about it, so dont be creative.



finally i do not agree - what you described definitely is the core of this electronic psychedlic music. i agree that there can be more to it which makes it more adventurous, but the above mentioned is the basic structure. imo musical open mindedness in goatrance has to follow on rule - it has to be psychedelic.
now, we can discuss the definition of psychedelic.
but my main point here is that too much open mindedness in our music can also be negative - house or techno are separate cultures with very different aesthetics.
the core of our culture is PSYCHEDELIC (weird, mind-altering, mystical...)
housy elements are not forbidden of course, but they have to be elements, not the core of our music. otherwise it is a kind of sellout mentality like "everything which attracts more people to our scene is welcome (to make more money and buy ego-pushing drugs and destructive crap like that").

Quote:

... oh I forgot to say something, ......BOOM ah...... KILLER..no, ...PLUR! (yes, got it finally)



i think that this is not a problem. every culture has its codes and symbols. as long as the people donīt use them like fetish (not knowing whatīs the meaning behind) itīs ok.
the proble occurs when we borrow words or symbols from religions or cultures which do not fit the tolerant and liberal psyculture.
Dopamin
Dopamin

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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 14:02
DAMNIT, this is one motherf#Ī"ing good thread.
Just my type, i've been trying to convey this message along time but eachtime it has been deleted.

So this post just makes me feel so good!
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Posted : Apr 30, 2005 08:21
holy gwakamoli my friend..
you rode the sarcasm bull to the rodeo did the tricks and still had enought to take the bow
after so much sarcasm there has to be some sort of distrust?
howver the vibe still existing within a small circle
somewhere.. enough to keep it going..isnt it?

dying breed my friend.. dying breed
and ive just been born!
hang in there .. in my personal experience.. whenever i loose hope
someone always shows up.. out of the blue.. and makes me belive in the beauty again
i'm sure its the same for you...
again.. not about how.. but how best to! express the thought
i think you did a bang up job!

boom boom

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