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The future of the trance industry
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 14:37
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I think for future would be cool a psytrance p2p network like emule.
Just for sharing psytrance music, every artists give his music to the network, maybe not all just some tracks for the crowd to listen and to see if they like it. With the files can added some promotion files for the albums.
Cool would be covers u can see before u download and tracklist. Something like the website we discussed in the thread that is deleted.
Maybe someone can make a emule mod for this, than we can also download other stuff with the same client, just run one client to save cpu.
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pr0fane
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 14:41
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I admire the thought and work going into those pay-for-download shops, but I don’t really see them as a saviour for the psytrance scene (not in the near future anyways).
At the moment, the people paying for downloads are be the same people that buy CD’s anyways, and it doesn’t really gets to the root of the problem: a lot of the partygoers today never ever buy psytrance CD’s. Why would suddenly start buying tracks they can download for free? Sure, you can get better quality if you buy, but I’m sure the majority don’t care if it’s 192kbps or lossless.
I think you'll have a very hard time converting this crowd to paying for downloads. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 14:44
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Back in 1998 or so, we got our first internet access with a 56k modem. It was also the "good" old days of Napster. It took me several days to download a full album of Astral Projection. The sound quality was not so good.
Then we got broadband access and it was the "good" old days of Audiogalaxy. Downloading tracks was faster but the sound quality still wasn't wonderful at all.
Now I've found a new way to download my mp3's. Right click on a Saikosound mp3 preview of a track, then save the m3u link on your harddrive. If you open it in a text editor you can get the direct link to the mp3 file on the server and download it. You get a 4 minutes mp3 file, and the sound quality is much worse than what I've talked of before, but I don't care, that's enough to make my mind on whether or not I'm going to buy the CD.
What I want to say is : sure, one can argue broadband kills music industry and I say no, it doesn't. How could I have discovered hallucinogen/shpongle/astrix/k.u.r.o./iboga/ (you name it...) without having discovered this community before ? On radio ? They only play rap/britney spears/more rap and other things I don't like listenning to.
I say the Internet is a wonderful thing, and to the ones complaining people are downloading their music without paying for it, please think of the question "What would happen if there wasn't any Internet ?". Sure people wouldn't download your tracks illegally, but would it increase your sales ?
Since I have a broadband internet access, I have more time to find the CD I really want to have. Before, I bought my CDs in regular shops, but they never have what you need, so you buy what they have, and sometimes you regret to have spent money for a CD that will remain in your cupboard forever, and which you will never listen to. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 15:04
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On 2005-02-01 14:41, pr0fane wrote:
I admire the thought and work going into those pay-for-download shops, but I don’t really see them as a saviour for the psytrance scene (not in the near future anyways).
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Sure, a future with only downloading is quite far away. ATM it accounts for some 2-3% of the revenues for mainstream music. That is an astonishing growth in % for 2004, but is not saving the labels yet for sure.
The main thing with the changes happening in the industry from a economical view is not the selling of downloads.
It doesn't matter so much if people buy downloads or CD's, but the means of distribution is changing a lot. Especially in the trance scene.
A lot of people buy their music from a webshop instead of a local record store.
That makes a very big difference, because it makes the distribution very different.
The reason distributors can charge what they do is that they have been necessary for labels to get out to hundreds of shops spread around the world. For the label to deal with a few different online shops is not that hard.
And the labels can all of a sudden act as shops themself if they like to, and the shops as lables.
So, no matter what media it's quite a different scenario today. And that means that the business will have to organise differently to adapt.
And it is not so far away in the future before it will happen, it already is happening, so it's good time for labels to think what role they will play.
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 15:34
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On 2005-02-01 15:04, Spindrift wrote:
A lot of people buy their music from a webshop instead of a local record store.
That makes a very big difference, because it makes the distribution very different.
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Yes thats very true. Coz of this our local psytrance shop was closed some weeks ago.
I think it is hard to run a real shop only from selling psytrance cds and some techno vinyls nowadays, espeacially in small towns.
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olivier
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 17:19
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i'm so tired with all these people finding themselves pointless excuses for ripping off people 's music ...
u people want music for free??? fine, u'll have the quality that comes with it , amateurish productions for amateurish listeners ...
quality is something that cost, in time, gear, energy , soul ...
keep on going this way and all the quality will be gone and u will all listen to noisy disharmonics and detuned shit made in a few hours on pc speakers by 16 years old kid that never touched a music instrument in his life....
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 18:07
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so tell me, side-a... where do you get more money from... gigs, or from released music?
downloading is not the all-time evil.. I download music, and I buy quite a lot of music too (including daytime comp which has a track by you)... plus I got a couple of friends to start liking trance, thanks to downloading, and now they go to parties, supporting music..
what about this other friend I have? He has no money at all.. He is really really poor.. he has an old cd player I gave to him.. I got him to like trance.. and I downloaded some music and gave to him.. is that evil? is that bad? so my poor friend cant listen to trance because he cant buy?
the problem is in the labels, imo....
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 18:32
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Just had to note....not one comment from a label so far in this thread.
If there is a new mp3 site that someone found you straight away have loads of labels showing interest and spending time sending mails and trying to find some hackers.
It really seems to me that they have no interest in how the future looks.
My guess is that the providers will be the future in this scene if the labels do not wake up and sit down and have a proper think about where things is going.
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olivier
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 18:35
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sherlockalien,there are always exception and it's better not to make generalities like i did... my mistake! 
but there are many people out there with internet connections, with quite an easy life(mostly talking about people from more developped countries with big economy) that don't give a shit about all the work spend on the music, that just care about what they want
everyone does what he wants in his own conscience , i don't care, i 'm just tired of reading topics where people come to claim on public forum that actually downloading is not bad at all for the cd sells
the problem is also the level of quality of the releases like u said, but with so few copies sold for a compilation(thanks p2p), how can a label manage to release good quality music (that costs in general way more than newcomers or more amateur productions) without loosing money?
it's an evil circle...don't know where it's gonna end...
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mafkaroo
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 19:11
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I don't see how an online shop where downloads are paid for is going to change anything. The P2P protocols will still exist, and people will still be able to share music. Why buy something when you can get it for free?
The only answer is that it is theft. I'm sure a painter would not be happy if someone published prints off his work without his permission. Perhaps we should only make available 'clips' of our music?
I, also as an artist also don't mind much if people shared my music, if they did it out of respect. But they don't. They don't give feedback, in fact they don't really give you anything. So you make it for yourself, and you give to those who keep taking. What sort of a PLUR attitude is this? I don't see how you can justify it, then again, I don't see how it can change. Its just human nature I guess.. |
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 19:27
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Sorry Side A, but thats the world we live in, ganancious and selfish, unfotunatly. Countries spending tons of money to make war instead of trying to help each other. U see, even though there is plenty of money in the world for everyone to live decently we still have people dying from hunger and poverty diseases(thats Third World man). And I really dont know how and where this is gonna end either.
I agree with u that good quality cds cost more. But mp3 is such a good way for people to get a hook on your music and decide whether they like it or not. I agree that everyone should buy the work of those artist they think have done a good job, but that doesnt happen at all.
I guess the future of trance industry is towards the labels trying to sell their artists throughout the Internet and making lots and lots of parties, this way they can make money. Creating a p2p only for the trance comunity can be such a great idea, but still. Any of these will still not solve the donwloading problem. This is a dead cause. Everyone donwloads no matter what genre they like. People like to get things for free. They think they are being smart, because they get and dont pay for it. And a true artist, that makes his music for passion and love, wont stop making music because of that. And I bet if he puts his feelings and lots of efforts to make his music, the artist will still find someway to get money out of it. I agree w spindrift that labels should stop and think about that, but it seems that they dont care that much. Because if they did, by now, we would already have had changes on the market.
I guess we gotta let it roll...
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 22:56
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downloading cannot stop, will u? |
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 23:45
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Downloading is only good for artists and labels, free promotion 
Some people are very funny here and on the other side they seem to be very fucked up people who just want money from the people, they don't care about anything coz their only problem is $$$.
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Pavel
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 00:18
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I like my collection on the shelf with cover art.
It's my fetish. I know, it's weird and old fashioned and I am not planning to change. Just like my parents won't use Skype for cheaper long distance calls when there's a plain ol' school phone nearby. I am a human being. Ol' fashioned, lazy and stubborn as a donkey. Perhaps my kids will pay for downloads. But not me.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 01:53
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@Pavel
That is the cover art on vinyls i presume?
In that case you are one of the very few that stuck with their word that they would always stick with vinyl a bit more than 10 years ago.
Things do change, wheather you like it or not.
Seriously though, i think it's very long time until there will be no physical discs of any kind. Like mentioned before SACD or audio DVD will sure have their period as well.
But what really puzzels me is how you can be prepared to pay for normal phonecalls when you get so much better quality so much cheaper with skype??
A little USB phone for skype is not that different to use from a regular phone, is it?
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