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the future of music specially trance and other underground movements!
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 13:42
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There are more options that you'd think. The guys from Finland release a lot of their music online, without profit, because they just want people to hear the music. In the IDM scene there are similar things (I forgot the website, but there is this awesome site with loads of IDM acts that release their music on the web)... There will always be underground music when people make music without looking for profit. And eventually, their music seeps into the more 'mainstream' sides of their respective scene.
I don't listen to psytrance at home much anymore, because most of it is 100% dancefloor oriented and with little or no originality behind it. But when I get around to hearing artists like Rip Van Hippy I know everything will be all right, because despite all the commercial pressures on artists, there are still some nutters out there who know that there are people who look for the surprises in the music and not just for a winning formula.
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 13:06
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Kaz, which music is called IDM ?
Something like Industrial?
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 14:06
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Kitnam...IDM=Intelegent Dance Music can be dif' styles...
Kaz i think u mean http://www.electronicscene.com amazing stuff going on there...by the end of this year the crew of ES estimates that the 1 million visitor mark will be broken!!!! and they are 'shuting down' for 3 weeks soon in order to sirously upgrade the server....GOOD LUCK !!
cheers.
LONG LIVE THE UNDERGROUND MOVMENT
"....or is it???"
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 17:10
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http://www.ronincollective.com/
A bunch of people from Canada that make IDM. Download music, listen, and see why the experimental underground will never die.
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Ronin ; ( wave-man ). Masterless Samurai.
Ronin Collective is a crew of artists distributing their material freely online, all the while reinventing their own margins, progressing, and exploring the many different facets of electronic music and art. Eclectic and unpredictable, we strive to represent Ran as well as structure, and seek to meld wisdom and music, awareness and art with Individuality and Authenticity.
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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 18:37
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On 2004-06-15 20:41, basilisk wrote:
Few artists are taking advantage of the internet and the new digital world to usurp the establishment and do things their own way... few artists of note are giving away their music for free on the net to increase exposure and share with their fans.
I'm positive a talented producer could use some DIY ethics to get their sound out there while still making some income from live gigs and 'dj subscription' or other new concepts. Old habits die hard - people are still locked into the physical release; the record contract; the superstar mythology. For such forward-thinking music the consensus seems to dwell so far in the past... perhaps the out-dated model of artist-label-dj isn't practical for the underground - maybe the self-motivated entertainer is what is needed... just some thoughts 
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So very much so. I think many "underground" (just a qualificative "label") artists try to serve both Gods: The breaking-ground art one and the market-oriented, "capitalist" (argh ! don't like this word with its limited meanings) one.
Many (very creative) ppl engage into some under movement out of a total lack of ability (or possibility) about getting into the "mainstream" arena, but while "locked" in this sub-world, they do not cease thinking about the day their art will be displayed and shown and be successfull into the large mainstream market.
So, despite such art could be considered under/alternative,it is momentarily so CONVENIENTLY, for the reasoning of the artist is not, since the whole logic guiding his most inner behaviour is directed towards being a "success" in the most conventional way.
Obviously, for some honest & sincere (to his art) artist this would prove to be a very serious dilema.
So, despite such art could pretty well be innovative, refreshing & ground-breaking, however in some atavic fashion it is still linked to the conventional consumer > sales > money logic.
That logic which says:" You know, I can't be like this all my life long, I want to be someone, get married, have a nice house, raise children etc etc etc ".
But since society (and not one's art or desires) establishes certain rules regarding HOW one manage to get & be someone, many ppl try to "adapt" (lack of a better word) their art to conform to such rules.
So, haven't you noticed these last couple of years how most of the fullon releases look alike ? In my opinion this is not coincidental, but incidental.
Again, in my opinion, the music looks the same because as artists, all those authors think exactly the same, and have the same objectives. |
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 20:10
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There's some great music on the web, if you just know where to look. A lot of the acts from Finland released stuff on the web, and yes, some started looking at the more commercial aspects of music later on, but some of the stuff that they released on the web could have EASILY been released on CDs on 'serious' labels...
Not all artists think of making money with their music. I know this may sound as an alien concept to some people, but there is more to music than money.
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 23:50
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On 2004-06-21 20:10, kaz wrote:
...Not all artists think of making money with their music. I know this may sound as an alien concept to some people, but there is more to music than money.
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That phrase looks a bit utopic, IMO. Electronica is based on equipment and it tends to cost and even more tends to get old.
That communist musician has to be rich, criminal or (sorry) stupid to serve his fans working day (for money) and night (for the soul). History teached that USSR and Kibutz are a huge mistake.
Now I am aware that one can't know and predict everything - that is why modern society is built on proffesions : one makes music; another organises a party and third is a doctor (we wish !) and pays for those partys and (hopefully) for that music...
As you can see in the above formula is a solid place for the guy that KNOWS/UNDERSTANDS music (label-guy), he sorts, releases (and do stuff i am not aware of) without any need in doctor's and musician's skilles and effort... Yes again third hand (he can do it online).
Now there is an idea that can make Kaz's sentence - "there is more to music than money", less alien to me. The thing is that in the city we work less now (5*7 /7*24) then we did 20 years ago (6*7 /7*24)and much less then 50 years ago (6*8 /7*24)... Peaple these days have much more spare time. Here the hobby goes in !
Yes lets make music for fun (only)!
I will (allredy do) miss more proffesional approach to music creation, I mean musician that works and lives music and not a cab driver thinking about musicology on the red light.
OK, long post, carried away ...
P.S. ultra interesting topic !
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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 00:15
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I think the problem with this professionalized approach is that one's bills do not wait for inspiration and quality to come around.
Any form of art derives from inspiration & creativity. Market is based and regulated upon formulae. If you switch over these concepts, you'll endup making marketed-oriented art, so either you'll please the market, or you're out of it. This adds a constraint to art.
In terms of creativity and innovation, maybe I'll stick to the cab guy, who can make his living without submitting to market trends. |
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 14:06
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On 2004-06-22 00:15, Electronic Bungalow wrote:
...Any form of art derives from inspiration & creativity. Market is based and regulated upon formulas. If you switch over these concepts, you'll endup making marketed-oriented art, so either you'll please the market, or you're out of it. This adds a constraint to art...
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The funny thing is there have to be huge demand for original art,sure the mainstreem will always sell more,but look around - peaple seek for innovation.
In other words, underground concept as we know it has to evolve into somekind of independent market that is PROFITABLE.
Let that (lucky) cab driver work on his music twice more and you'll get (if he is that lucky) twice more original music or let him drive the cab for money and see how one more potential Mozart failed.Sad but true...
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 22:34
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@ setherian:
i don't think that you can generalize your issue. maybe what you say is true for genres like full on but listen for example to some electro underground stuff... there is plenty of interesting and innovative things happening. also i think that what is happening at the moment is a normal process that takes place a long time and not only the last year(s). it is necessary that different styles of music mix with eachother to create new sounds.
also i have another thing what is really strange: people keep on complaining that everything sounds the same but when artists as for example x-dream try to sound different by for instance using not the common 4/4 beats, people suddenly seem to be not open for it. the so called open-minded trance scene (as the people like to call themselves)in my eyes is in fact one of the most closed-minded of all electronic styles. |
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 15:49
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Trance indeed has its limitations, one of them is 4/4. It isn't surprising that music with other beat signature is denied by this "open-minded" scene.
With all the respect to originality and innovation, strong structural limits have their pluses.
Let me guess about music released freely on the web (I might be wrong on this one) - the artist know for sure it is not marketible, so they take a P.R. move. I can asure you thay run some statistics on the site and don't be surprised if one day u'll see a CD promo for new stuff.
Now the question is -
Do you like underground music because of the music or of the underground ?
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