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the future of music specially trance and other underground movements!
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Setherian
Setherian
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Posted : Jun 14, 2004 21:10
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I was thinking ... maybe this has been discussed here many times before but, anyway...i Was thinking about something and would like to know what others think about it.
It looks to me in a general point of view, that ALL kinds of music are becoming less original. It looks like the sales crisis in the whole music business is making ALL music released become more commercial and more friendly. It seems to me that the artistic musical world is loosing a lot of originality since musicians are forced to get into a certain "formula" as the only hope to still live from it. I have been analysing all the genres I buy music (Electronic music and Metal) and I also had a look in music at tv and radio`s situation to confirm my point of view and Im very scared honestly.
Music is becoming everyday more comercial, less innovative and less interesting. The big companies are forcing the world to dig commercialism more and more because they cannot have the guts anymore to show experimentalism. The underground scenes where usually u see the most original manifests are dying , specially the ones that dont carry a healthy philosofic ground attached like the contemporary trance.
So the whole music business (labels and artists) are adapting themselves so much to this paranoia , that it almost have no more space and opportunity to new revolutionary sounds. At least it looks like this is happening...I want to discuss a bi this if someone is interested. MAybe i will change my mind a bit withnew point of views of u guys.
Anyway, whera are we heading to, really?
And also, IF music is becoming more and more homogenic inside the styles and genres...how can this lead to a ressurection of sales? It doesnt make sense. Its carzy, because its like..the artist try to copy the other to try to sell, but when everybody tdoes the same it makes all the style suck and sell less after all. Damn!
>Seth
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shahar
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 01:26
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But Seth, is that just in music?
I think that this is in every aspect of our lives- this is the way the world is going these days.
We can change it, though...
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blueOrb
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 13:16
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cant help the problem man everyone need to earn and with the more u start earnin the more u spend and hence then u wanna earn even more ...  ... hence this is the point where commercialization comes into the picture ... 
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djsid
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 15:47
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woutski
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 16:51
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Seth I hear ya and what you say is happening to some extend. But it's nothing new....and as long as there are creative, innovative spirits out there there will be creative, innovative music - money can't change that - simple as that.
And this goes for all types of music.
You mentioned Metal for instance...yes there's alot of trendy formulaic shite, but this has always been the case.
Commercial crap comes and goes and will be forgotten soon. True music is here to stay (and if some band conforms to some money-making formula - who gives a fuck about them anyways?)
And sure, there's mostly crap on radio and MTV but there's still hope. For exemple bands like Radiohead or Queens of the stone age (who totally operate outside any formula) are also very popular in mainstream levels.
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blueOrb
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 17:08
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Insomniac
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 17:13
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Its true i think money changes people i'll give one example my favorite band in the world METALLICA, IMO after the black album they don't exist for me anymore....
MONEY TALKS EVERY LANGUAGE..... |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 20:41
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Few artists are taking advantage of the internet and the new digital world to usurp the establishment and do things their own way... few artists of note are giving away their music for free on the net to increase exposure and share with their fans.
I'm positive a talented producer could use some DIY ethics to get their sound out there while still making some income from live gigs and 'dj subscription' or other new concepts. Old habits die hard - people are still locked into the physical release; the record contract; the superstar mythology. For such forward-thinking music the consensus seems to dwell so far in the past... perhaps the out-dated model of artist-label-dj isn't practical for the underground - maybe the self-motivated entertainer is what is needed... just some thoughts
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Setherian
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 22:14
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I was also thinking about soething very curious!
Every new artist dream about something that happens when they are ... just dreaming (in thebegining) , but their accomplishes will never be the same as they dreamed. specially in music business since the future is so mysterious for it..more than for cinema or other kinds of art.
Crazy! I think its somehow tempting to stick to it and see what happens. And to be honest, I dont have other option! haha
So I kind of agree with Basilisk. The future of a new musician of today will be quite different from anything we know now. Lets see what happens!
>Seth
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PsYx
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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 02:04
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There's a lot of good music around (IMO)...
I like lots of different styles...Go 2 a big festival like Glastonburry,Roskilde,Fusion,Lowlands...
They have more than 200 bands playing around there...
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Trip-
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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 03:13
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On 2004-06-15 20:41, basilisk wrote:
perhaps the out-dated model of artist-label-dj isn't practical for the underground |
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interesting basi...
But maybe it's not completely outdated, and just needs to be REplanned.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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luje
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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 03:27
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 11:40
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@basilisk
Interesting point of view. I think that fans and costumers of such free-online-music will organize theirselfes on online-portals which will collect the most interesting and freshest online-releases from the confusing masses of webreleases. Such portals would be substitutive to our 'labels' of today.
" Hey buddy, klick on http://www.psy-electronic.tk/albm08.tk Phuntasma has his new album linked there.."
There would be no piracy anymore, because a web-pirate is often just collecting his music without caring about the soul and sense of all this tracks. Why he should collect music which has no account?! No Kick, no bazar feeling, no sharing-flow?
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I think that some want to pay money for music anyway. The people are reared to loose money for products by our society and media:
- "Buy something and you will be lucky!"
- "Something for free has a crap quality, because it is for free, as higher the prise, as higher the quality! No prise - no quality!"
So there will always be a cycle of money/sales/labels/artists/costumer...
but I also realy think that the set for that will change.... lets see what it will be.´
@setherian
I felt like the same. This is caused by listening to psytrance too much! I went to a CD store and buyed a electronic non-4/4 kick VA. After listening to such most innovative and individual styles of different elec-artists, i felt refreshed and the music-world got allright again. I decided to listen not to psytrance anymore at home, only other stuff is allowed. Now, I produce the fattest tracks (also psytrance) ever, and my mind is much more open than before..
...psytrance is not good for you my son!  
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MonoMotu
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Posted : Jun 17, 2004 12:52
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Apple is making a new downloadportal for europe. The i tunes music store. Every track cost 0,99 ct. You download the track in your i tunes media player. I think its a interesting new art to sell music.
The artist can sell there his own tracks without a label. ( But is this really intersting for artists? )
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