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The future of music / RIAA warnings

yossi
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : May 2, 2003 03:29
well... be sure that i dont have the answer or 100% solution for the music inductry situation.

but the one that`ve been offered here just dont feel`s right... atleast to me.
maybe theoreticaly it sounds good, and everything works fine.
but i think that it will have a huge impact on the music itself.

but hey... if u realy think that downloading music from the artist site and paying 50cents will work and the artist will be able to live from this, like u said... go for it.
if it`ll do only goods for the music (wich i realy doubt), i`ll be the first one to change his opinion. (tho i`ll miss the plastic and vinyl touch)

but anything for the music.



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A.Rosengren
Solid Snake

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Posted : May 2, 2003 03:37
ill never trade my buetyful plastics to abstract shit... no way!!!!
gkalpakas


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Posted : May 6, 2003 05:06
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On 2003-05-02 01:19, kaz wrote:
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I'm sorry, but as much as I hate to admit it, the RIAA may not be the nicest people in the world, but they're fighting for the artists and labels. They may be thinking only of the money that they get from the people that support them and nothing else - but in the end, they work to let people make a living off of music.





Picture this then a 4 piece band gets lets say a 100.000$ deal with a record company.
From this money they have to pay their recording studio their mastering engineer e.t.c. promotion costs, the manager, the producer, the lawyer and the list goes on.
In the end of the day the band will get 20% of the money from the deal, divide that to the 4 members of the band and then divide that to lets say 18 months until they sign another deal for the next album. There is no other way of income for most artists than touring and merchadinse.

The RIAA fight only for themselves and their pocket, they use artists.

The cds was a big fraud from the major companys. It is cheaper to made than vinyls and lesser sound quality but they are sold more expensive, actually the cost to print a cd including the jewel case and the artwork is around a dollar each . Now they try to give us a new format super audio cd or how the hell they call them, so they can sell again their entire back catalogue , and then it will come the super micro dvd or whatever comes next.\

Them major companys know the future that OA vs. Brock Landers described us, and they know they can't get change it. they just fight it to slow it down and in the meanwhile they can milk as much money they can from the public. The irony is that when the day comes they will be the first to adapt and the ones who will do the promotion for the future artists downlodable music.

I 'd rather peer2peer for my music than make some people richer than they are.
I see this mp3 thing like the radio. There is so much music outthere and the only criteria to buy it is the artwork and the label. I d rather check the music first and if it worths its money then i buy it.
Major labels fought the radio when it appeared as they fight mp3s now. But soon they adapted to it and use it for their own good.
And do not call me a pirate i already own more than 1500 original cds (not copies) I hate cdr for audio. But i am into many styles of music and my room is always a mess with piles of cds, I love the way all is sorted into my hard disks and i can find what i want to listen with a few mouse clicks than searching through piles.
I hate it when my cds jump because of scrathces or are nicked of me or lost .
And who knows if they will be still in playable condition after 20 or 40 years.

Anyway still any cd that crosses my path under 15 $ i buy it without second thought if it something i like.
and thinking of that i cannot wait for the daythat the cd becomes obsolote, then major labels, distributors,record shops will want to kill their stock so then you will be able to buy 3 cds or eps for a dollar

Namhaj


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Posted : May 6, 2003 06:37
The qusetion is, will people buy mp3's? or ogg's or other file formats??? especially after they have downloaded for free for so long... i think there are people who would, but what is this number? do these people out number the traders? I think adaptation and education is the answer, not one or the other, its never so simple.

As someone has already stated (Brock, Berserx??) the internet 2 will be here soon, fibre optic internet.. mp3 will become a thing of the past and people will trade/download wav files at full quality, when this occurs there is no chance for cd sales anymore, profitable sales anyway....           http://www.nervine-records.com
bholenath
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Posted : May 6, 2003 08:26
RIAA represents only the top(Largest) music labels.. i.e. Sony,Universal,E.M.I and 2 others...they usually release only very very very commercial music and look out for the intrests of only their labels and no other...so as far as RIAA is concerned they can go f**k themselves           ....good fudge comes on slow!!!
VertigOA
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Posted : Sep 4, 2003 00:30
Looks like I was not too far off after all.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030903/music_nm/media_piracy_dc_1
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droozi
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Posted : Sep 4, 2003 01:02
Uh ... to be honest i think that file sharing is simply natural progression. This process will eventually eradicate the need for huge production lines of CD's, cases etc (which cannot be bad for the environment), but more importantly I think what we will end up seeing is that only true and good artists will survive. Since the recording industry will not be in control anymore - they will not be able to decide whos hot and who is not. For example the likes of NSYNC and the fuckin bendover boys will never see the light of day since these are bands that are created by the industry as opposed to a bunch of like minded people coming toghether to make music because it makes them happy. There are alot of musicians out there that like to make music because they need a creative outlet not becuase they are thinking of making big money - these will be the ones that will survive, and personally I think those are usually the ones that make good music. So in conclusion all I can say is that yes I guess we should respect the artists we love and not take their bread and butter away - maybe just their butter since it seems to be making them fat.
Inu
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Posted : Sep 4, 2003 06:19
OK, I'm just going to rant here -- fairly aimlessly, at that -- and see if anything strikes a chord.


How many different psytrance records are released every year? 300, 400?

And of that, how many copies are printed? 750 to 1000 for the vinyl (if that), and maybe 1500 for the cds...

That's hardly the glut of rock and pop. And even mediocre pop artists sell a few thousand.

I don't see why everything good (by good, I mean anything with obvious work put into it) can't sell.

We have a world wide scene of young people, with discretionary income -- enough to party, anyway -- to burn. So why aren't they? Time is money, and why spend it hunting down files on soulseek, when a few clicks could have the record winging its way to their house?

I think psytrance needs an image change. It's trash, it's disposable, you listen to it once or twice and throw it away (present company excluded). You cook it up on a comp (w/cracked software) and download it on a comp... No. We can't have that image.

More live acts are a great idea; but like kaz said, not just GMS clones. Experiment a little, get it into the small clubs and the alterna/underground scene. Australia has had good luck with this, and without compromising the psychedelia.

Most "lives" either turn out to be a DJ set or are indistinguishable from one. Picture real live, picture knob twiddling garage band trance with a 4-4 beat. Folks, I love this scene, but it's "traditions" (keyboards not plugged in, no more than 2 people on stage, glorified DJs posing as live acts) will strangle an artist in their crib.

Going back to the records: small distribution is fine, small record shops are fine, but get some advertising, man! By the time you've got a web presence it's too late, as the fans are already on their computers and halfway to downloading your latest album... Kill some trees, or better yet some cannabis plants, and make your mark.

CD cases have gorgeous artwork already; that doesn't need to change. Nor does the content -- free videos are nice, but those are even more disposable, IMO. What needs to change are the minds of the fans; I've struck up a geeky conversation about music (big surprise, huh;)) with many a "psytrancer", only to find that they knew nothing about released albums, but only came for DJ So-And-So...           tiger got to hunt,
bird got to fly,
man got to sit and wonder why, why, why?
tiger got to sleep,
bird got to land,
man got to tell himself he understand.
Mike A
Subra

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Posted : Sep 4, 2003 09:46
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On 2003-09-04 06:19, Inu wrote:
How many different psytrance records are released every year? 300, 400?

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I think psytrance needs an image change. It's trash, it's disposable, you listen to it once or twice and throw it away (present company excluded).



That's the problem. The amount of releases and the "I must have everything otherwise I'm not cool enough" way of thought makes trance disposable (together with the junk that gets released).

That should be one of the problems to solve. I've looked at the amount of labels at some online shop. Hundreds. Is our scene so big and varied for this amout of labels? No. Everyone opens a label, makes a release and those who do buy albums need to choose from more - which is nice, but to a limit. This is just too much.
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