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VertigOA
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Posted : May 1, 2003 20:06
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Read this. They are getting desperate.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=676&ncid=676&e=3&u=/usatoday/20030430/ts_usatoday/5115207
(Now understand when Im talking about millions, and greed I am talking about the BIG labels and Artist, sony, madonna, ect., not trance scene)
OK . Let's think about the future now.And by that I mean the next 10 years or so maybe
Speaking more along the lines of big record companies and artists, I think there are going to have to suck it up and face the music so to speak. What it comes down to is that the BIG music industry is greedy. The only reason the oppose this dowloding so much is becaue they NEED to be millionaires. Same goes for hollywood. They NEED to be millionares. They are used to being rich for all these years and they see a change and it SCARES them!
That said lets look at the future.
In the future you will be able to download CD quality music in seconds. Thats it.
Aside from the fact you can dload and print the covers yourself. Same goes for DVD's as well. - Internet connections will be faster , hard drives will be bigger, more people will have computers, this is how it will be.
So why doesnt the music industry suck it up and face this fact? In the future - A big artist might not even need a Professional million dollar studio to record in, or even distibution from a label. The way I see it, in the future, all an artist will need is someone with a lot of production skill, and a nice computer setup. Thats it. You will be able to distribute your music online, maybe charge for downloads at your website, but still that wont stop illegal trading. So how will the artist and production team make REAL money??? Touring. The feeling of Seeing an act live can not be replaced. - and I think all artist, big and small are going to have to face this fact, or stay out of the business and find some other work to do. The time has not come now , but it is coming soon - and people need to accept this rather than fight it. Record labels will become less necessary and IMO become unnecessary, tho they might want to try to hang on for whatever reason.
Record company executives dont need millions of dollars - Big Artists dont need millions of dollars. They are just used to it and scared it will go away. Thats why the RIAA fight so much.
How does this relate to the smaller trance artist? We all know they don't make a lot of money - but from a post I read earlier , there are somthing like 200+ labels? Everyone has a label. In the future this wont be necessary. Hell, trance artist produce ther own music so what do they need? Distribution? And guess what - they get PLENTY of distribution on the net without any of the labels help. So, when the day comes that we can dload CD quality music in seconds - why would an artist need a label? or 200+ to choose from? Like I said this day had not come yet, but it is coming. The record industry on all levels needs to prepare for this, not fight it, the fight is a losing battle. Artist will only need themself and a little help from firends in the future. Of course some more than others, but look at us now - talking from all over the world in an instant, spreading information instantly all over the world. You could not do this when record companies started. Now you can, and now its time to face the change.
Im not speaking bad of trance arttist or lables, I'm just being REALISTIC, so don't flame me. But I'm trying to understand the big fight. I think artist can continue to make money in this business.
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yossi
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Posted : May 1, 2003 21:34
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well...
1st of all, i think this whole " we know who you are and what you're doing is wrong, we think that will hit home" that was mentioned in the link is preaty damn stupid.
2nd... yeah, your theory about music downloading in the future is totaly realistic, and totaly sad.
there r still ppl who love this little plastic thing called compact disc and the bigger thing called EP/LP.
and i sure hope that they wont disapeare for good.
i just dont see myself listening to music while runing through endless folders looking for some files.
even the demos i get through the net... i just cant listen to them as files, i burn them immediately.
and not only Bcoz of the sound quality... i just dont like my music in files.
i just dont understand how ppl can replace a beautiful CD package, with a real cd in and the art that comes with it (cover, design idea... sound etc etc) with a simple meaningless file with a mp3 ending.
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maybe the making money only from performance idea can work for madonna, but it sure wont work for this scene.
so lets do some thinking... i think its time for this scene to decide how its future will look like (if there is a future...)
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VertigOA
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Posted : May 1, 2003 22:10
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there r still ppl who love this little plastic thing called compact disc and the bigger thing called EP/LP.
and i sure hope that they wont disapeare for good.
i just dont see myself listening to music while runing through endless folders looking for some files.
even the demos i get through the net... i just cant listen to them as files, i burn them immediately.
and not only Bcoz of the sound quality... i just dont like my music in files.
i just dont understand how ppl can replace a beautiful CD package, with a real cd in and the art that comes with it (cover, design idea... sound etc etc) with a simple meaningless file with a mp3 ending.
maybe the making money only from performance idea can work for madonna, but it sure wont work for this scene.
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well, thats another thing - in the future , top quality printing will be cheap cheap cheap - porbably get High Qualty printer for nothing. Maybe even printers that take in and print on CD,s You go to the store, stock up on Jewel cases , CD's (if they still exist) and you download and print/burn EVERYTHING in perfect quality. Thats the future.
About making money from touring - i don't think you need to be madonna to live off touring - i know lostof bands that do it. They work hard at it , but it is the living they have chosen.
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yossi
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Posted : May 1, 2003 22:22
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On 2003-05-01 22:10, OA vs. Brock Landers wrote:
top quality printing will be cheap cheap cheap - porbably get High Qualty printer for nothing. Maybe even printers that take in and print on CD,s You go to the store, stock up on Jewel cases , CD's (if they still exist) and you download and print/burn EVERYTHING in perfect quality. Thats the future.
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yeah... and in the future we`ll have privet spaceships and we all gonna eat little pills that`ll be like 10 meals. and i dont see automobile companies and food companies closing down.
if it will happen, it`ll take alittle more then 10 years till we all get our own little print/burn machines... i think and hope.
about the touring again... maybe in the US its possible. but think about all the bands/acts that dont sing in english, what will they do?!
the best example.
i read an article/interview with one of the most popular groups in israel - "Hadag Nahash" (the fish-snake in english).
they bearly can live from their music.
and i think that other very popular bands/act in other countries are facing this thing.
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VertigOA
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Posted : May 1, 2003 22:42
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"yeah... and in the future we`ll have privet spaceships and we all gonna eat little pills that`ll be like 10 meals. and i dont see automobile companies and food companies closing down.
if it will happen, it`ll take alittle more then 10 years till we all get our own little print/burn machines... i think and hope. "
We already have print/burn machines- we call them computers and printers - im saying they will only get cheaper , and better.
Also i don't think all band will be able to support themselves on touring - but i think for some bands it might be a better way to make money in the future - or maybe from cheap album download/sales directly from the artist.
Imagine being able to go to an artist site - pay something like 1/3 less than you pay for a cd now - and getting a the full CD in CD quality with, cover , inlays - just like you could buy it in the store - it will be easier, cheaper and I think increase album sales.
this is what I see happening, or at least something along these lines somewhat.
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yossi
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Posted : May 1, 2003 22:58
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insted of doing all this "technology revolution"... dont u prefer to educate ppl to respect the music they like and to pay for it?
sounds much better and fun to me.
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : May 1, 2003 23:12
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VertigOA
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Posted : May 1, 2003 23:13
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On 2003-05-01 22:58, yossi wrote:
insted of doing all this "technology revolution"... dont u prefer to educate ppl to respect the music they like and to pay for it?
sounds much better and fun to me.
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What wrong with looking to the future?
Just cause I do doesnt mean I suggest people should not buy the music now, or in the future.
Im just saying this is what it might be coming too. Im not preaching either way. And Im not trying to start a debate on weather to download or buy music - This is just how I see things going - and wonder how others see it going. Im not preaching to download.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 1, 2003 23:31
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you are so naive!
people like to get stuff for free. even if that new technology you are tlking about will be available, there will be pirate sites that will do the same service for free.
and people that don't give a fuck about the artists nowdays, won't respect them in the future as well.
check the gaming world for example.
in the past you could only download "rips" which are the game (from the original cd) without some movies and sounds.
now you can download the full game as a cd image and burn it like you have the real thing! you can also print all covers from the original game.
sooo....
educating is the sollution! (i was educated @ this forum  )
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VertigOA
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Posted : May 1, 2003 23:49
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how am i naive????
Read my posts again Gilad. Your making my point for me - i know people like free stuff, and Im saying that the record industry is going to have to adjust for that and not fight it.
And Im not talking about new technology, this technology we alredy have , its just going to get better.
Call me naive, but I think if you are in the BUSINESS of making music and selling, it's naive to believe you can educate millions, rather than adjust to the changing times.
The RIAA is trying to 'educate' people with pop-ups on kazaa - who's gonna listen?
This reminds me of a situation on Boogie Nights when Jack Horner will not accept the fact the porn on VHS tapes will replace the porn on FILM in the theaters. Which it does, and he adapts to it.  no sig |
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Apocalypse Now
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you guys that won't accept the reality of the music industry are the naive ones.
This whole educating thing is a load of horse crap. The artists and the labels (yes even you Yossi and Anders) need to look at the possibilites of what can be done with the technology that we have right now. There is still alot of money to be made from making and distributing music, you just need to be creative and innovative. Fact is, alot of people don't care about you "beautiful' jewel case or artwork. We want our music in the highest quality possible and we want it to be cheap. I might be sensing a conflict of intrests from you guys, am I right?
Go read the article I posted in the nature of a trader thread about what Apple is planning on doing. This could be implented in our scene very well.
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Kaz
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The point about artists going to live off their performances will be terrible - we'll get 10 times the amount of GMS clones, only with a guitar player added. A guitar player will become more important than the musician, as the presence of a good guitar player and energetic riffs will leave other lives in the dust. All of a sudden, every artist will try to work on his pose, gimmics and impressing the crowd as much as he can when playing live. All of a sudden, we'll get 'proffesional' live acts, that don't really bother with making good music as much as having a smash stage appearance.
If people don't get money for the music they make but get it only for their live acts/DJ sets, the problem isn't that artists can't live on that - the problem is that the ones who will suffer will be the ones who make the less danceable music. That will kill of 90% of the ambient/chill scene (as DJing in a chill room is not something most acts get payed a lot for, and ambient concerts are things that happen only in certain places to very big acts). MFG stopped doing live acts a long time before their last album, so in this brave new world, they would have no incentive to release an album. Would they keep the music to themselves? Maybe. Would they have bought an expensive studio with loads of synths for a hobby? Their wives would kill them!
That's the problem. The more underground the music, the less it's played live, the less money the artist gets for his live act, and so on. Dedicated fans who (nowadays buy music but) aren't numerous enough to bring an artist to their country won't be able to support him anymore by any way other than charity, which I doubt artists would accept. They'd just get a well paying job (being a waiter would pay more than most artists would be able to get for their live acts), and end up categorizing their music as a hobby, and as a hobby, you'd rather spend money on a home and your loved ones, and other things that are important.
The depriorization of the listening factor to the live act is exactly the thing that made Mozart die poor. The crowd didn't like his music enough because it wasn't as simple as the other artists at the time, the patrons didn't want him when he grew older and wasn't the wonder-boy he was as a child.
I'm sorry, but as much as I hate to admit it, the RIAA may not be the nicest people in the world, but they're fighting for the artists and labels. They may be thinking only of the money that they get from the people that support them and nothing else - but in the end, they work to let people make a living off of music.
I hope that a solution will be found in which the artists will get payed for the music. As a matter of fact, this way the artist will be able to get money directly from the crowd, that way when people would buy a CD, they wouldn't have to pay the label, distribution, shops and all of the middlemen, which would make the price of music reasonable enough for people to buy - lets say, if you pay 40 cents for a track in CD quality, and the money goes directly to the artist's bank account, wouldn't that be great? I know I would spend probably even more money than I spend now on CDs.
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Apocalypse Now
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I hope that a solution will be found in which the artists will get payed for the music. As a matter of fact, this way the artist will be able to get money directly from the crowd, that way when people would buy a CD, they wouldn't have to pay the label, distribution, shops and all of the middlemen, which would make the price of music reasonable enough for people to buy - lets say, if you pay 40 cents for a track in CD quality, and the money goes directly to the artist's bank account, wouldn't that be great? I know I would spend probably even more money than I spend now on CDs.
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. If all the psy-trance artists put their music together (old and new) on one website, in CD quality, where you could make your own compilation then the quality of music would go up dramatically. I know the label owners don't want to hear this, but the current system just isn't working. This way, the artist knows exactly how many people are buying his specific track and he also gets to know what other kind of music his fans are into. I think that 40-50 cents for older tracks and 75 cents for the brand new stuff is fair and reasonable amount to pay. The people who make CD covers could offer their work on this same website for people who want a nice cover to print out. The possibilites are infinite to make this system work.
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yossi
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Posted : May 2, 2003 02:20
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well... when u opened this thread im sure u wanted to hear what other think/say about this issue.
and what i said is what i believe in.
and just Bcoz i want CD and vinyl to stay around dosnt mean that im not looking at the possibilites, or not creative and not innovative... coz i`de like to think that i am, Apocalypse.
not long ago i talked to an israel producer that plays world wide almost every weekend, he words where... "damn, if u dont create danceble music u just dont get gigs..."
its damn hard nowdays to get gigs, so i can just imagine what will happen (like kaz mentioned it).
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im afraid that its more like... "We want our music in the highest quality possible and we want it to be free".
and if we already got into very specific money detailes.
maybe what i`ll say may rise some label/distribution managers eyebrows, but i realy think that a cd can be sold for 8-9USD.
but for this to happen, we need much less greedy ppl around.
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and what i said is what i believe in.
and just Bcoz i want CD and vinyl to stay around dosnt mean that im not looking at the possibilites, or not creative and not innovative... coz i`de like to think that i am, Apocalypse.
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Well I'm yet to see that from you, but I'm not doubting it.
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whatever you say man. I'm sure there are people who feel this way, but you need to stop dwelling on these guys and start thinking about how to get the people who want to pay a reasonable price for their music but can't.
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and if we already got into very specific money detailes.
maybe what i`ll say may rise some label/distribution managers eyebrows, but i realy think that a cd can be sold for 8-9USD.
but for this to happen, we need much less greedy ppl around.
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Go for it then. Just keep in mind that it will still cost another 3-5 dollars to get it to my mailbox so it still isn't really that cheap.
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