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Jikkenteki
Jikkenteki
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 18:38
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While I agree with a lot of the points in the beginning of the thread, I would also agree that is does smell a lot of big industry propoganda. 13 or so years ago, before downlaoding when I was in music school and studying music business it was common sense and made clear in no uncertain terms that artist who made a living making music did so through touring as almost all artists make very little money on a major label contract (which is an entirely different conversation). Suddenly downloading is a problem and now suddenly artist DON'T make a living touring and playing live, but through their cd sales? Call me sceptical having seen and studied the lie that is economics in the mainstream music industry, but I smell a lot of bullshit mixed in here.
Yes I think downloading is ONE factor of many for the declining sales of music (although I would argue that the major labels choice of music to release is a much more important factor), and as the owner of well over a thousand original psyreleases (not to mention the software I use to make my music on as well since someone brought that up), I obviously fully believe we SHOULD be buying the music we like. However I have a more and more difficult time believing that downloading is the SOLE factor that is hurting the income of the music scene in general and psy in particular (for the record I think psy's generally crappy distribution system (a couple of exceptions granted) is an equal if not much bigger problem when it comes to getting product out to the public and that money back to the labels).
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koalakube
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 20:03
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On 2006-10-23 18:38, Jikkenteki wrote:
While I agree with a lot of the points in the beginning of the thread, I would also agree that is does smell a lot of big industry propoganda. 13 or so years ago, before downlaoding when I was in music school and studying music business it was common sense and made clear in no uncertain terms that artist who made a living making music did so through touring as almost all artists make very little money on a major label contract (which is an entirely different conversation). Suddenly downloading is a problem and now suddenly artist DON'T make a living touring and playing live, but through their cd sales? Call me sceptical having seen and studied the lie that is economics in the mainstream music industry, but I smell a lot of bullshit mixed in here.
Yes I think downloading is ONE factor of many for the declining sales of music (although I would argue that the major labels choice of music to release is a much more important factor), and as the owner of well over a thousand original psyreleases (not to mention the software I use to make my music on as well since someone brought that up), I obviously fully believe we SHOULD be buying the music we like. However I have a more and more difficult time believing that downloading is the SOLE factor that is hurting the income of the music scene in general and psy in particular (for the record I think psy's generally crappy distribution system (a couple of exceptions granted) is an equal if not much bigger problem when it comes to getting product out to the public and that money back to the labels).
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Sales of cd is not the main profit for the artist.The majority of the income for the sale goes to the label.If the sale doesnt meet the expectation in terms of profit,the label wont release another cd of that artist.
Said this ,I dont have any problem having my music out on mp3.As a matter of fact,the new cd mix i compiled and mixed for Celestial Dragon is out there on P2P already (1 week after the realese),and I wanna believe people will still buy it if they like it.
Now Jikkenteki ,you having a music business background and seeming veryopinioned also from an ethic point of view on music related issues, Id like to know your opinion on this thread
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/97368/forum/1
And as you rightly pointed out in your post, there are worse things that happen in our scene.
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 20:21
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On 2006-10-23 20:03, koalakube wrote:
Sales of cd is not the main profit for the artist.The majority of the income for the sale goes to the label. |
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My impression was that (from a link provided by Colin) the one who profits the most is a) The shop (like psyshop.com) b) the label? c) The actual artist who used his time and life to create the art which we enjoy.
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koalakube
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 20:28
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On 2006-10-23 20:03, koalakube wrote:
Sales of cd is not the main profit for the artist.The majority of the income for the sale goes to the label. |
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My impression was that (from a link provided by Colin) the one who profits the most is a) The shop (like psyshop.com) b) the label? c) The actual artist who used his time and life to create the art which we enjoy.
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Ok maybe yes,that wasnt my point.
Ok so if the shop doesnt sell cd A made by artist A then the label doesnt earn a penny from Artist A and wont release any more material by Artist A.
Better?
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Katapult
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 22:55
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Sorry for just jumping into this conversation, but I am at work and can't read everything right now but I would like to say a few things.
I would like to know what everyone is looking at when they say that CD sales are down. Are you talking about sales of individual releases or are you talking about CD sales of all releases are down.
The reason I bring this up is because there are different contributing factors to both of these and free downloading is not the only issue occuring here.
When you look at sales of individual releases, you need to take into account the sheer number of new artists being released today. The market is completely saturated with artists that know how to use a computer sequencer and an arpegiator. If you know anything about simple mathmatics, you can see the correlation in individual sales going down.
Then there is the total sale of all CDs. I am not sure how many of you remember when CDs were introduced, but everyone was complaining how record sales were dropping. The flip side to that was that CD sales were increasing. So even though records were loosing out, big profits were still being made selling CDs. If you are asking yourself, why is this old man talking about record sales, think about it. The medium is different, but the same phenomenon is happening today. CDs are beginning to loose out to mp3 sales. Not everyone out there is getting their music for free. Napster, iTunes and hundreds upon hundreds of other sites are selling this newest medium and people are buying this up like crazy. We as labels and artists need to figure out new and innovative ways to take advantage of this form of distribution which has taken off. The producers of our trade have realized this and have already made some big advances to the original CDJs. They now play many different formats other than CDA and at the same time they mimic playing records. How weird is that?
Just some things to think about,
Kat
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Spiritual_mind
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Posted : Oct 27, 2006 21:13
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On 2006-10-18 22:56, l337 wrote:
Take an example...an artist like Shift, if he had to say ...ok folks...no more new tunes until you fuckers start buying some tunes.... do you think he would still hold his supporter base and popularity...or do you rate his fans would support him..because they love his music so much and they cant wait for a new release..that they would PAY FOR NEW RELEASES by BUYING OLD RELEASES!
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So you mean to say, pull an Atlas Shrugged on the trance community?
Its the same with all other genres of music. Hip-Hop/Rock etc make money through 'events', as does our community?
Target the organisers.
Labels parties seems to be the only logical way to curb bad distribution networks.
A wise man once said...If you cannot change the system, dont fight it. Study it, and make it work your own way.
BTW, love your music.....Would merrily pick up a CD of yours,minus shipment costs. But to this day, haven't contributed a penny to your coffers.
Boom.
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Taika-Kim
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Posted : Nov 4, 2006 14:47
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Sorry I didn't even read most of the things you were writing, it's way biased and doesn't IMO portray a realistic view of the matter.
GOOD artists that AMAZE people will always benefit from copying, since real fans will always buy the albums they LOVE.
If some album doesn't sell as expected, it's because it's not good enough. This is a claim that can be verified easily by listening to so called "trance" music.
Psytrance as well as most dance music is DISPOSABLE for the most part, and that's why people will only invest in albums they feel have something SPECIAL to give them also in the future, not only the first few listens...
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mudpeople
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Posted : Nov 5, 2006 01:40
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On 2006-11-04 14:47, Taika-Kim wrote:
GOOD artists that AMAZE people will always benefit from copying, since real fans will always buy the albums they LOVE.
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Always? how can you be so sure?
IS always DISPOSIBLE...
Once again, how can you be so sure? this seems like your OPINION.
Which of course we're all entitled to.
My opinion: I show my love for these artists and this music by buying cds. Its not that expensive. Plus you get the added benefit of the trippy cover art and little things that find their way into the sleeves and interior graphics.
Which is another point: its not just the musicians who are contributing their time, effort, and money.
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