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the free music myth
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 08:59
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I tot that money from live gig's/DJ set’s was enough for a producer/DJ? I mean, one doesn’t need money to get rich, but money to survive and pay off (if you got them) bills. And hey, are you travelling the world, well then food, shelter and love will properly be provided for “free” by friendly people on your path. The urge for more money is damaging. If a producer, like yourself Aldo get’s his music DL a lot by people, it will only result in more fame (people know you) and ergo more bookings. So maybe you don’t sell as many copies as you wish, but at least it will morph in other sides which can be considered a + in your book of life. – I’ve DL a lot of music, but I’ve also bought a lot of music. Hadn’t it been for DL I would never had discovered Infected Mushroom (psy-trance) that night I was looking for music to test my new bought Mexican Shrooms with. Like everything else in life, there is a plus and a minus, a ying and a yang. Take the good with the bad. I personally think DL is good for us. Aaand, also bad for us. Because of massive psy-trance mp3 p2p shearing, people are flooded with way to much music + No wonder our scene is so popular and watered out..
For the defence of originals, except the phenomenon of supporting the artist. I can’t see how a person DL trillions of albums can find true love? You don’t get to know a album as well. It all will be one big pile of music in the end. Not being able to separate them from each other. Again, you can’t possibly KNOW your music when you have 10 albums DL pr day. You miss out on the feeling of holding a original cover and CD in your hand. This is a addictive feeling. Mm, and I whore for it. Mp3’s are all ok. But where’s the charm? - About earning money. Get a (real) job, or prove your worth through time and hard work within live performances, DJ set's and production of music that will eventually become timeless and classic.
PS. I didn't read the initial post/thread by Butterfly Records because it's to long (I’ll print it and read it later).
So please excuse me if my words are off-topic and/or out of context.
More parties, more drugs, more ego, more money more of everything more more more more more more more more *KaaBOOOM!!!*
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volvox box 2
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 10:26
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if it survived until now it will from now on,only if it is not a broken function at some point of future time.
kids with gamestation with fl dont need money to moove torwards, their daddy does that, they only need the ego the download bitches give em by letting them know they are killargh.
this is the road that OUR "collective conciousness" brought us to. |
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 13:25
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this also raises another question - how many artists that are producing music payed for the sofware they are using to make music?
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l337
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 17:30
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On 2006-10-19 13:25, a3k wrote:
this also raises another question - how many artists that are producing music payed for the sofware they are using to make music?
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yea...very good question indeed...
we had this debate on the SA sid eof this forum a couple of years back,...
and its true... if artists dont supporrt the develpers...then they really cant bitch is no one supports them
there music was stolen to begin with if they are using cracked software...
(the majority of nu skool guys are using cracked shit, and i can tell you many old skool guys are *will point no fingers*)
just remember "treat others how you would like to be treated yourself"
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Butterfly Records
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 19:14
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downloading the music for free is one thing !
downloading the music for free and selling it on a website is another think for fuck sake ! |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 19:28
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Free music isnt a myth, now the question about how the artists should be able to decide if he wants to share his craft or sell it...
if he decide he want to sell it, its his choice and others should respect that. but hey, who respects who these days!
another question is if we should be able to demand something out of music that costs. for example, demand that the artists has payed for the tools he used... and that no animals got hurt during the creation 
the fact that people still will download music even if its not free is just how it is and i dont think we can change it... lets just be happy that people like the music and wants to listen to it... money comes and goes..
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koalakube
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 19:30
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On 2006-10-19 19:14, Butterfly Records wrote:
downloading the music for free is one thing !
downloading the music for free and selling it on a website is another think for fuck sake !
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Also,putting out a compilation telling the artists it is going to be a free promo(and therefore not paying them)is one thing.Changing your mind without permission from the artist and then selling it is another story.
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 19:45
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On 2006-10-19 19:28, Freeflow wrote:
another question is if we should be able to demand something out of music that costs. for example, demand that the artists has payed for the tools he used... and that no animals got hurt during the creation |
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yes that is your right as an consumer BUT it does not justify you from downloading artists music for free even if they do not use legal software. It's quite frankly very very easy. Just as every other profuct you can buy in this world. Don't buy it if you do not agree with the "Company" behind it.
I doubt any of you go out and steal a bag of potatoes because it's pulled up the ground by child workers. I assume you do not buy the potatoes
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Butterfly Records
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 20:41
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On 2006-10-19 19:30, koalakube wrote:
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On 2006-10-19 19:14, Butterfly Records wrote:
downloading the music for free is one thing !
downloading the music for free and selling it on a website is another think for fuck sake !
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Also,putting out a compilation telling the artists it is going to be a free promo(and therefore not paying them)is one thing.Changing your mind without permission from the artist and then selling it is another story.
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Sorry mate but are you Accusing us on something !! ?? |
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 12:52
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On 2006-10-18 16:32, jacob wrote:
wow thats so true and to be honest until recently i was downloading music alot and thats also how i discoverd this music but i understand what it means to work hard on a project, so i earased every thing and i am now going to buy the albums that i like and want to suport not all at once becouse i am not a rich man but i feel that it is good to suport thees artis whom create such great and moving music, for instans how much is it worth to listen to somthing that realy touches you inside you know or grinding until the sun comes up in the moment we all love so much i mean realy its priceles so 15 dollars give or take is nothing compared to what they give me i mean, i want to support this!! i cant speak for the rest of the world but to me personaly its well worth it and also the quality of the sound is so much better and i am not just talking about the audio, the hole picture inside and out you feel me. peace to all and think about it...
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That is exactly how I feel, and you describe almost to a T my own experience. (Having a debate about it elsewhere as we speak!) I started off downloading psy before I came upon the scene itself (forums, websites, radio stations, parties etc) when I was initially introduced to the music. I have since stopped. Most psy artists out there are people like you and me trying to earn a living doing something they love - and as a musician myself I personally think that's amazing! If we like what they do we have a duty to support them. Not everybody who has ever dowloaded meant to steal, or take the piss, but I think if you carry on AFTER you realise the impact it has (Chaos recently closed down due to lack of sales for example) then you have a lot to answer for.
Good posts by Butterfly - very informative, and also by you sir! Totally with you there.  |
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shahar
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Posted : Oct 22, 2006 20:15
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For me, starting at the days of recording records onto cassettes, the rule have always been very simple: I like it and I can afford it- I buy it!
Just buy what you really like (CD/download/whatever) if you want to have more of it.
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ocelot
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On 2006-10-19 02:33, Magox wrote:
selling cd.'s is a dying business........
i believe artists and labels will have to not try to depend on this aspect financially.......
i just say this from a standpoint of a 'realist'........
it will take innovation and new ideas to support the labels and artists........
obviously music events and gatherings........selling mp3.'s on line ........can be part of the solution........
but as l337 stated earlier..........this is not a business that is very lucrative..........and anyone who entered thinking otherwise.........is most likely dillusional.......
i organized events in south america for 4 years.......and i lost more $ then i made.......
and everytime it happened...........i didnt mind.........because i never did it for the $........
to see the smiles on peoples faces.........everyone jumping around...........seeing friends have the best times of their lives............gave me INCREDIBLE satisfaction.............and still makes me smile today thinking of it 
now i am not an artist or run a label..........but i would have to imagine........that many of them feel the same way..........
so..........i do absolutely believe in supporting the label and artist............and i will continue to keep buying SOME of the music........
but.......lets be real here........the music is available online............i love that it is online........and i love the fact that i am able to share music with people..........speak to people about music..........
but more importantly..........have the access and means to be able to listen to so much "good" music............
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maybe try not to depend on eating food so much. i mean its not realistic, with so many people on earth- for EVERYONE to think they can just EAT all the time... we will have to innovate...
i contend its an availability issue.
someone opened the back door to the cookie shop and every kid in the neighborhood knows how to get cookies through the back door for free...
these are really only issues when it comes to Intellectual Property because if its a stereo or a tv that gets taken its stealing- but we all know how copies of information can be made without affecting the original.
the real question here is compensation- how to get money in exchange for giving people the song to listen to.
to say that the artist should not be compensated is not a viable option.
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 13:53
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All artists are rich greedy bastards! They all have overpaid gigs and arrive in Limo's.
More power to the moral clean pirates who do all artists a HUGE favour exposing their music for free and keeping it real.
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Colin OOOD
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