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Acidhive
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 15:19
Hmmm ... we do have those horror like psytrance producers like Xenomorph don't we? In fact, most music styles have artists that do darker stuff. And why should that be a bad thing?? All the more diversity I say!!!           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
binary_me


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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 18:43
just like every thought produces a counter thought ....there will always be ppl who will go against the culture creating a sub -culture /counter culture......

like antichrists/atheists and stuff like that ....           I'm tripping on this KILLER drug these days -HOOCH.....
Mechanic


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Posted : Apr 5, 2004 02:51
Goddamn, I *am* the counter culture!

What is the psy-trance counter culture you ask? Well, I'd say the people like me, who like dark, minimal, intelligent music. Who know that neo-full-on is disposable shit for E kiddies. Who know that the whole "Love & Light!!!" mantra is nothing but a drug-induced lie that means nothing when the MDMA wears off.

We are honest. We like hard music. We like agressive music. We like sex. We don't do drugs. We know that most of the main stream psy scene is living a lie.

We are the counter culture, and you are welcome to join us when you see the Truth.
Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Apr 5, 2004 03:55
wow Mechanic...your really here to make a statment...i see youve just joined tonight and your allready bashing some heads here...nice nice...im gonna keep track of u...i have a feeling ill see some very intersting posts
cheers.

p.s people would understand u even if u use a less agressive tone in your words but...its not as fun to watch and...to each his own.
          "....or is it???"

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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Apr 5, 2004 18:55
The dark mafia says anything except the 'horror vibe' isin't truly psychedelic - and is a fluffy joke.
Well, I find tracks with names and soundscapes that sound similar like Death MEtal to be just as ridiclious. "Contagious Viral Infection " and "Digital Lobotomy" sound like satanistic Cheese to me.

a lot of nice psychedelic people - and hippies - won't go near it.

The Japanese have a word ,urusai, which means noisy and obnoxious (and lacking in balance). a lot of the recent horror tracks strike me as very URUSAI.
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Bring on the DARK music at night....but the Evil music (souds and samples designed to cause a BAD TRIP) can go to back hell and stay there -

since when did things get so perverted that EVIL became a GOOD THING? to me, it's not.
Acidhive
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 10:48
Damn, I'm really starting to wonder about you Brett. Why keep on dissing this darker style?? Just live with it. The more diversity in styles we have the better. Dark stuff just happens to be the trend nowadays. Look at the title of Astral Projection's latest: Back From Hell. Anyway, dark stuff was already there in 1997: Check out Xenomorph's track Obscure Spectre from his truly horror inspired album: Cassandra's Nightmare. Or Shaolin Wooden Men's totally insane track: Remember The Slime! So I've got some bad news for you Brett. Darker sides will always be a side of whatever scene you're in. (For example: Metal has death metal and black metal) And the dark side of psytrance is here to stay! In fact it existed almost the same time the scene began. It's only a little more evident nowadays because of artists like: Psychotic Micro, Penta and such. (Mostly Russian artists). But, you all know my opinion: The more diversity the better!! And if you can't take the 'dark' side, then just shut up about it already and deal with it. And don't write negative stuff about it all the time. And what's with you always talking about bad trips Brett? Maybe it's time to try to enjoy the music without drugs?? Anyway, not trying to start a fight or anything. Peace to all (and you too Brett)!!           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
Acidhive
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 13:38
Hmmm have to say I agree with Mechanic too. Don't do drugs... do sex instead!! And all that MDMA induced fluffy bouncy loveshit means nothing when it wears off...           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 18:41
My personal experience with psytrance and the psychedelic experience...has never been about celebrating darkness and evil.

you can wonder about me all you want peace.
Mechanic


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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 19:01
Wow, this sure is kicking off an interesting discussion already:

> My personal experience with psytrance and the
> psychedelic experience...has never been about
> celebrating darkness and evil.

Not meaning to get too philosophical here, but, many times, working as a psy-trance DJ at some party (working and being sober when everyone else is fucked) I have wondered: What am I doing here? Look at all these 15-year old kids on E frying their brains. Is it my job to provide the soundtrack for your self destruction?

I've seen sick shit at parties. Fights, overdoses, babies drowned in porta potties.. (Shiva Moon 2002) The statistics speak an honest language -- 60% of E users report lasting impairment, memory problems, permanent damage..

So, intrinsically the nature of the whole psy-trance shenigans is a dark one -- escapist hedonism to the point of self-destruction. Of course it's sugar-coated with warm xtc feelings, fluffy vibes, bouncy melodies and pretty colors. That's what makes it so deceptively enticing - you think it's all happy and bouncy, but that's on the surface. The root is darkness... the long term effects are destructive.. If that's not evil, I don't know what is.
Surrender
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 19:06
Quote:

On 2004-04-06 19:01, Mechanic wrote: Look at all these 15-year old kids on E frying their brains. Is it my job to provide the soundtrack for your self destruction?

I've seen sick shit at parties. Fights, overdoses, babies drowned in porta potties.. (Shiva Moon 2002) The statistics speak an honest language -- 60% of E users report lasting impairment, memory problems, permanent damage..

So, intrinsically the nature of the whole psy-trance shenigans is a dark one -- escapist hedonism to the point of self-destruction. Of course it's sugar-coated with warm xtc feelings, fluffy vibes, bouncy melodies and pretty colors. That's what makes it so deceptively enticing - you think it's all happy and bouncy, but that's on the surface. The root is darkness... the long term effects are destructive.. If that's not evil, I don't know what is.



first of, its 14-year old e-tards not 15
2nd you have a valid point man... i like your style of writing, i think that too sometimes...           "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Acidhive
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 20:17
Mechanic is right. (Good piece of writing by the way dude!) The psytrance scene has been synonimous to druguse and abuse for so long now. I personally am in this scene for the music, and not for the drugs. The people who need drugs to enjoy psytrance are just fucked up as it is in my opinion. Enjoy the music as it is, without drugs and enjoy all the styles as well, that's what I say! Minimal, dark, melodic, chill, progressive...? Bring it on! So people here's my advice: Enjoy the music for what it is and be thankful to all the artists out there for bringing diversity in this scene... Peace!!

          "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
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