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engebong
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 02:40
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Yuli, I was one of the artists too and even more - some of the workers there. It was exactly a runaway with the money, the organizers of xpo2002 didn´t pay the soundsystems, the lights, the generators, the workers, the artists, nobody .. in fact, seems that all the investments were in advertising. There can be no excuse for something like this. |
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 03:02
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hmmmmm I was paid and so all the artists I know, but I left in the middle.. One thing I know for sure - there was no money to run away with since there were only less than a 1000 ppl there
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GuyShanti
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 12:47
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about XPO 2002 - i was oe of the artist too and a friend of the orgenisers and I know for a fact that
1 Yuli is right - there wasnt money to run away with
2 the sound system ppl were payed ( they even went on strike after the storm, got their money and the festival continued for 4 days after that)
3 the artists that played got payed
4 that festival was done with the best and purest intentions and was massively screwed up but the worst mini hurricane ive ever seen... so ppl didnt come
THIS tchalma thing just smells fishy from the start
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 12:56
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So who should we trust in this matter about Xpo 2002? I choose to trust the Bulgarians. There are simply just way too many stories told by people who was there and dealt with the organizer and how the organizer of Expo 2002 ran out of Bulgaria owning a lot of people a lot of money there.
So call me what you want.and tell me I am wrong. It does not hide the fact that the XPO 2002 organizer are never welcome in Bulgaria anymore.
Maybe try to ask the Bulgarians what they think about the Xpo 2002 organizer instead of telling me I am lying (because it's a friend of yours who did the Festival). |
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theivo
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 13:55
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about XPO2002 - few of my friends who worked over the stage building (bulgarians like me) didn't get their money about it , as i know they get only food for the work days.
The security also didnt get all the money and had to collect the entrance money after the start of the fest for themselfs.
My friends - part of our team and one of the local producers and DJs - Gain Reduction was waiting for the last moment someone to bring them to the place - this was promissed by the organizers and as you can guess - they was not there. The same was promissed and to other local artists and finaly the most of them came to the place as they can.
All the people told me one thing - the organizers ran away after the start and let the chaos to be full...
I'm glad to hear that there was artists who get paid for this, and not everyone was cheated.
I just want someone to tell me - why there was not enough people ? Who is wrong ?
Maybe most of the people think that just becouse Bulgaria is a tollerant and free country , not so much problems with police and the law at the parties and it's more cheapest destination than other european countries they can make easy money or just a good reputation as organizers. I'm not agree with this. I have any experience as organizer and know good how many people to expect at these events and that always we're under the line with the money and this stops us to make big and unrealistic plans.
Hope if someone want to make something here in Bulgaria next time to contact us or other locals ( but people who have experience in this not randomly choosen people ) we're always open to help and support.
About Tchamla - as already told me - lot of people will came back from the place today and tomorow. The music isn't started yet.
Silly thing...
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hypergill
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 14:05
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 14:44
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On 2006-07-09 12:56, TrippyJohnny wrote:
So who should we trust in this matter about Xpo 2002? I choose to trust the Bulgarians. There are simply just way too many stories told by people who was there and dealt with the organizer and how the organizer of Expo 2002 ran out of Bulgaria owning a lot of people a lot of money there.
So call me what you want.and tell me I am wrong. It does not hide the fact that the XPO 2002 organizer are never welcome in Bulgaria anymore.
Maybe try to ask the Bulgarians what they think about the Xpo 2002 organizer instead of telling me I am lying (because it's a friend of yours who did the Festival).
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Maybe stop hiding behind fake names Kristian, and then we talk face to face? I been there, I was paid and so all the artists I know personally, since I dont know everyone, I guess there were those that didnt get paid. The fact is tho, that the organizers of that event lost heeps of money ( which is ofcourse not an excuse for not paying artists and workers ) and they had no money to run away with.
At least in my home country, and in some others I believe Guy Shanti and myself considered as non biased and fair ppl, definitely not liars as you, Kristian Elysium try to picture.
And therefore altho both events were definitely not successful, it seems to me there is difference between the two.
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 16:10
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On 2006-07-09 12:56, TrippyJohnny wrote:
So who should we trust in this matter about Xpo 2002? I choose to trust the Bulgarians. There are simply just way too many stories told by people who was there and dealt with the organizer and how the organizer of Expo 2002 ran out of Bulgaria owning a lot of people a lot of money there.
So call me what you want.and tell me I am wrong. It does not hide the fact that the XPO 2002 organizer are never welcome in Bulgaria anymore.
Maybe try to ask the Bulgarians what they think about the Xpo 2002 organizer instead of telling me I am lying (because it's a friend of yours who did the Festival).
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Maybe stop hiding behind fake names Kristian, and then we talk face to face? I been there, I was paid and so all the artists I know personally, since I dont know everyone, I guess there were those that didnt get paid. The fact is tho, that the organizers of that event lost heeps of money ( which is ofcourse not an excuse for not paying artists and workers ) and they had no money to run away with.
At least in my home country, and in some others I believe Guy Shanti and myself considered as non biased and fair ppl, definitely not liars as you, Kristian Elysium try to picture.
And therefore altho both events were definitely not successful, it seems to me there is difference between the two.
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I am not trying to hide behind anything Yuli 
And where did I call you a liar? All I said is that I choose to trust the Bulgarian version of the story. And then I indicated that maybe you are a little biased in this story since the Festival was done by friends of yours. That does of course not make you a liar which i never said you was.
Funny though how you focus less on theivo who clearly does know what he is talking about
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 9, 2006 16:43
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On 2006-07-09 14:44, Yuli wrote:
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On 2006-07-09 12:56, TrippyJohnny wrote:
So who should we trust in this matter about Xpo 2002? I choose to trust the Bulgarians. There are simply just way too many stories told by people who was there and dealt with the organizer and how the organizer of Expo 2002 ran out of Bulgaria owning a lot of people a lot of money there.
So call me what you want.and tell me I am wrong. It does not hide the fact that the XPO 2002 organizer are never welcome in Bulgaria anymore.
Maybe try to ask the Bulgarians what they think about the Xpo 2002 organizer instead of telling me I am lying (because it's a friend of yours who did the Festival).
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Maybe stop hiding behind fake names Kristian, and then we talk face to face? I been there, I was paid and so all the artists I know personally, since I dont know everyone, I guess there were those that didnt get paid. The fact is tho, that the organizers of that event lost heeps of money ( which is ofcourse not an excuse for not paying artists and workers ) and they had no money to run away with.
At least in my home country, and in some others I believe Guy Shanti and myself considered as non biased and fair ppl, definitely not liars as you, Kristian Elysium try to picture.
And therefore altho both events were definitely not successful, it seems to me there is difference between the two.
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I am not trying to hide behind anything Yuli
And where did I call you a liar? All I said is that I choose to trust the Bulgarian version of the story. And then I indicated that maybe you are a little biased in this story since the Festival was done by friends of yours. That does of course not make you a liar which i never said you was.
Funny though how you focus less on theivo who clearly does know what he is talking about
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I see u dont know how to read so I will quote myself twice, but with u I am used to do that:
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That was said since I know some ppl that had to work 2 years to pay back those losses. Again, it was a fiasco, but there were no bags full with money ( think for yourself less than 1000 ppl for this size of event and I guess its only simple mathematics )
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If u would only try to read my post I said it was a fiasco of a festival. Why was it a fiasco I have no idea since I dont know how to make a festival. All I know there is a difference between this kind of fiasco, that wasnt planned and Tchamla "fest" that obviously was a planned hoax.
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bays
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Posted : Jul 10, 2006 00:49
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Hello!
I was looking for aditional information about this event when I came here. I was there last night, and left today. If I knew that many of the line-up djs are not coming, I should speak wtih the organisators, but i didn't.
The festilval has not start yet, about 200 ppl are waiting a truck with generators for electricity to arrive, and will wait this night too. I was told, by an unfamiliar local woman, that the security guards, from local municipality, are not paid for 2 nights, which i'm not sure as authenticity, after that they went home. There are no WC, at least not chemical. I thing many of the ppl don't know that some djs won't go.
I will return at the weekend and take more information.
I was there not specialy for the festival, but decide to go and have fun, I think organisators would have planned everuthing long ago, when i read the place is changing from Chamla to Batak dam lake, i thought something is wrong.
It is so pity these "organisators" do such thing. If most of djs won't come then this event will be no more than pyramid, a fraud. |
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Redax Mental
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Posted : Jul 10, 2006 20:55
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|Just here at Sofia ...waiting for train ... i will tell u nmore how it was when i come home... i have ooppened the festival |( i played there and opened it |) so...when i will have 3 hours to write i will so..when i will come home u may read everything|!|!
big boom...i hope that they will get a proper generator |( at least for the people there |)
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UpLifTeR
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The picture is very hard to imagine....and is only bad for us bulgarians...becouse this "fest" was one big joke with us.....
I just returned from the so called "festival" and here is the truth...
There was absolutley no music until 09.07.(2 days after the start of the gestival) and until this moment there is no MAIN STAGE AT ALL...not even constructed!!! At the night of 09.07. the so called "organizers" managed
to start one "second stage" with sound of 2kw...yes 2000 wats at most....and gues what...It stopped at 1:30 at night couse the generator broke down...and untill this moment there is no Main Stage and the music on the fest is still 2kw... we saw most of the artists and dj.s only on the flyer 
These so called organizers didn;t think even for a little bit what will happen if it rains...well i'll tell you what....ever wallked to a festival with all your luggage for 4 kilometers? We sure did (the people that didn't have 4x4 cars).... The "organizers" did't thought even for a bit how are the people going to get there and where to leave their cars...
This "fest" was a very very very bad reputatuin for bulgaria angain....and the sad thing is that there are no bulgarians envolved in his organization...
Comered to this expo 2002 was better LOL ....
Another funny thing...they said that the fest will continue untill 16.07...BUT...i wonder who will stay when there is no sound and the people there gave 20,30,40 euros only for camping  And some people are on vacation from work and have to go again... for them it doesn't matter that the fest is continued (with no main stage offcourse )
So if anyone wonders what happend and what was at tchamla I will summarize it in a few words...
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PsaikoLyd
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Posted : Jul 11, 2006 20:32
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S**t happends all the time......
It is a real shame that the fest didn't happend like it should
I am sorry about the people and the artists...... who were stuck in the middle....
But i think that the organizators should learn something from this because i am sure that they are not in benfit at all from the fest...
i was in sofia stucked for 2 days with PMac and Yotopia and we had interesting time during we were waiting some of the org....
And i went home with my equipment for the fest...
Again i am realy sorry about it....
because there are people comming from far away ,,,,
and not to forget the artists...cause if they are not there will be no music  Many many of them lives from this
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engebong
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Posted : Jul 11, 2006 20:59
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/off sorry about this xpo2002 offtopic, but let make it clear - the people with the sound system are friends of me, they didn't receive any money for sure and they were there all the time, because they are friends and wanted, no matter what was happening, to make it real - this first international psytrance festival in Bulgaria - xpo2002, the people with the turntables and mixer are friends of me too, they didn't receive any money for rent and even a guy - Boris that was hired to help the organizers needed to work hard months after the festival to pay with own money for the broken technics after the storm. Not to mention again all the bulgarians workers and artists and etc... Finally, there were so many drugs sold by israelian dealers that disapeared with the organizers and more, a guy from the organizers went out from the prison before the xpo2002 festival, so everything stinks there too.
/on Tchamla is another story, of course, the macedonio-hungarian organizers are thiefs with less profesionalism and experience than the israelian organizers of xpo2002, it's true, I agree, haha. |
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 02:26
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about chamla "festival" - one thing is sure and there is no need to overreact behind any names and because of ego experience...
what happened is a result of unprofessionalism and overrating, but it`s even not close to pyramid and is started with totaly pure intentions. better if the organizers find a proper way to explain what really happened and at least to appologize to the artists and the ppl...
btw: the place is really amazing ..pfuu it`s worth to have a festival one day there |
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