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Swiss Psytrance scene

Stregone
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Posted : Nov 21, 2005 21:45
Hello there I wanted to start a thread where all people involved in the psy scene could say what works and what doesn't works, what could be better in our Swiss scene.

I see a lots of divisions between our three linguistical and differents region and it could be cool to improve contacts between everybody!
Every time I see a swiss french dj or live act booked in German part or in italian part, or viceversa, I feel like a wall is broken.

We have a refer site http://www.goa.ch (interzone) which is cool, oldschool or whatever you want, but sometimes report or party take LOOONG time to be updated and the most of the reports, are even not in german, but in swiss german, wich for the most part of the people coming from the two other language is not comprehensible.

We have two reality growing in a fast and nice way, the french part, with some good party organisation and association and a cool label, and the italian scene who's getting bigger and bigger and where there are more and more party every year, even if it's rested very underground.

And there is the german part which is more organised and has a lots more of people involved.

If I write this, the point for me is not just to improve relations, but also because there in every party some new people joining and enjoying for the first time the psy scene and a lots of them doesn't know wich are the important "rules" to follow in a party, like respect nature, people and at the ends but really important, itself.
A lots of people consuming huge amounts of drugs, wich I don't judge if taken with consciousness, but a lots of times aren't!

Uhmm for the moments those are the points I've thinked, what do you think about?

Organisers, artists, dj's, party people & everybody !
zafer
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Posted : Nov 21, 2005 21:48
i want free alcoool and more prodigy tracks!!!!!
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Posted : Nov 22, 2005 20:30
I understand what you mean when you say "Every time I see a swiss french dj or live act booked in German part or in italian part, or viceversa , I feel like a wall is broken."....
Like in many others domains the "rostigraben" is still strongly here...
(for non-swiss people rostigraben means the wall between the swiss german part and the rest of switzerland...
happily not a physical one
we have made some DJ-exchange with nice organisers from basel.. I hope there will be more & more of this in the future... LETS BREAK THIS FUCKING ROSTIGRABEN !!! ther's open-minded poeple everywhere... and 'very-closed-mind' also everywhere...
i must say that in the last parties i have made in the swiss-german part, i founded that the music is little by little getting more 'romand-style' if you see what i mean...
there's still a huge difference, but i feel that more & more swiss-german artists start to like & play more dark music..
Maybe this will help to do more connection... Just listen to Digitalist liveact from St-gall... it's not the usual swiss-german melodic music
About ticino i have to say i really dont know... i never went to a party in ticino but i had very very goods feedbacks from there...
I really have to party in ticino next summer
About the drugs... GoaTrance is becoming less & less underground... (i mean a part of it) so there's more & more 'not-goa' people in goa-parties...
And some of this people come because they have heard "oh, in goa parties you can find and take all the drugs you want"... I have heard few times this kind of talk while taking the train or else...
It's sad... sure...
but i dont know if it's possible to change it....
In my mind, there's a part of goa wich will become more & more "comercial" and "all-public-oriented"...
But there's also this "underground" part wich will always stay alive..
But this is just my humble opinion....

Maybe making a new swiss-goa-website would be a good idea.... cause interzone is really swiss-german oriented...
what is the one language that most of the swiss people understand ? not german, not french, not italian...
so maybe a swiss-goa-website in english could be a good idea....

ok.. this was my 2 cents
greeting from Dublin ! the guiness is good here hehe
Stregone
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Posted : Nov 23, 2005 02:10
Nice participation

Yeah Digitalist make heavy music, seen him @ the small dropout party and it was hard stuff

Cheers then, drink a pint for me too

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zafer
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Posted : Nov 23, 2005 21:12
chinga tu madre, yo!! yo!!
Nygma
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 15:48
Good topic stregone

Where shall i start?? Switzerland is such a small country in the heart of europe. having 4 different national languages enables us to communicate to the whole world. however, inbetween us (the germans, italians, french and what was the 4th one again? retro-romans? hihi) there seems to be a lack of interest of getting to know each other better.

It has been like this in politics, maybe less in the economy, but surely we see the same syndrom in the psychedelic-trance scene. I can't really explain myself how goa got popular in swiss, but it definitely got a head start in the german part. currenlty, the german part seems to set the standard of what is hot and what's not. In the french part the scene is catching up, with a few years delay, but it's getting there. The goa evolution in the italian part is experiencing its beginning phase, it's still very underground, trying to discover its own "magical spirit".

As a swiss-german, i have experienced the rise of popularity of psy-trance in the german part ever since 1998. During this time and the first years of the new century, the music was still very similiar, following a certain formula. Isratrance was very dominant and with the help of renowned swiss german djs, melodic trance got very popular. party people were influenced by what these djs played and this in return set the standard of taste for the majority of goa fraggles.

I guess some people weren't too happy with this development of what is supposed to be psy trance and began to create new styles: darker, more twisted, more psychedelic(?) and this is where the french part joins the story. It was like a new reveleation, celebrating the old-school goa codex in the woods and fields of the romandie. The whole thing didn't really launch off as quickly as in the german part due to the law and its reinforcers (cops). at no point, till now, did the swiss french make more parties than their german neighbours.

don't understand me wrong, at present time i can say with certaintly that the frenchies match the quality and size of most german parties, but its not quite there yet. i'm not writing about spirituality, because everyone might have a different definition for it, but about the effort of throwing a party of a certain style from a-z. if it's commercial or not, or if there are better & more drugs is a different aspect which i don't want to discuss in my reply. it's all about taste, moderation & contacts.

It's just now that the germans do realize that the psy trance scene goes beyond bern and the gotthard tunnel. Personally i don't believe that there is a röstigraben (what the fuck is this talk anyway??) but i just think it needs more time for everyone to adapt to what's happening and to discover the beauty of different styles. Once this happens, i'm sure you will see more artists of what ever kind of genre interacting with different organizations. it's just the beginning.
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 16:53
what i realize, after trying for some time to get the swiss-german interested in the parties we do, is that: why would they care, when they have so many other parties to choose from in their own neighborhood??? sad but true, but unless you organize something special like the Timegate, i dont see why the swiss-germans will ever come to our parties in Welshland.....           V/A Floating Mirror - OUT NOW - with Celles, Midimal, Electrypnose, Melodix, Troll Scientists, Yab Yum, Gaspard, Ajja, Cradle of Beats! Info on
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Stregone
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 17:16
To change?

I don't like to see every time the same faces, same people, same music....

What I like is to have contact with new people, hear new music, find out new spots, have new experiences, when something stack I think is not anymore psychedelic....at all....diversity, variation, open mindness, I think are the base to have a psychedelic esperience
MercuryFall
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 17:19
yeah man, I second that!!!

and actually, swiss germans who come at our parties really like it! And I love to go and party with them as well for a change.. maybe the communication is just not good enough?           V/A Floating Mirror - OUT NOW - with Celles, Midimal, Electrypnose, Melodix, Troll Scientists, Yab Yum, Gaspard, Ajja, Cradle of Beats! Info on
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Nygma
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Posted : Nov 24, 2005 19:04
you need to give party people a reason to come to your party, tastes differ greatly.

if you don't know what kind of psy trance is played, you don't go there because you're not sure whether you're gonna like it or not.

i like to meet new people and discover new things, but if i can't connect with them, what's the purpose of me being there?

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gaspard
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Posted : Nov 25, 2005 22:21
Quote:

On 2005-11-24 15:48, Nygma wrote:

It has been like this in politics, maybe less in the economy, but surely we see the same syndrom in the psychedelic-trance scene. I can't really explain myself how goa got popular in swiss, but it definitely got a head start in the german part. currenlty, the german part seems to set the standard of what is hot and what's not. In the french part the scene is catching up, with a few years delay, but it's getting there. The goa evolution in the italian part is experiencing its beginning phase, it's still very underground, trying to discover its own "magical spirit".

I guess some people weren't too happy with this development of what is supposed to be psy trance and began to create new styles: darker, more twisted, more psychedelic(?) and this is where the french part joins the story. It was like a new reveleation, celebrating the old-school goa codex in the woods and fields of the romandie. The whole thing didn't really launch off as quickly as in the german part due to the law and its reinforcers (cops). at no point, till now, did the swiss french make more parties than their german neighbours.

It's just now that the germans do realize that the psy trance scene goes beyond bern and the gotthard tunnel. Personally i don't believe that there is a röstigraben (what the fuck is this talk anyway??) but i just think it needs more time for everyone to adapt to what's happening and to discover the beauty of different styles. Once this happens, i'm sure you will see more artists of what ever kind of genre interacting with different organizations. it's just the beginning.




greetings !
well i have to disagree with you there man. Brousse and Psyberpunk team have been around for 10 years. he was making parties before many in Swiss German part. and these parties were not small private do's but fairly large (illegal) parties up in the mountains of "Vallais", and some pretty major events in clubs such as the MAD in lausanne. there were also parties made by Psyberpunk team across the "border" in Bern s Reightalle (not sure about the spelling there!) and in numerous smaller places all around CH.. to say that the french only recently caught on is not really right. it is true however that there were always more in swiss Deutsch! it is a rather recent situation where there are several parties on the same evening in the french area. before there was the Psyberpunk parties and that was it. and they were really great parties because of the fusion between the "punk" spirit and the electronic sound. people would travel from quite a way for these events (holland, italy, germany, france etc etc), but strangely enough, not that many Swiss Germans.... i remember also the great diversity of the croud - metallers, rockers, punks, hippies, straights etc etc... i have some really great memories from these times!
however at some point, not sure exactly when, but i d land a guess at around 2000, there was a turning point where it seemed that the Swiss French went for harder sound whereas Swiss German went for the more Israeli-based tunes. as time went on, people worked out which sort of sound they liked and deserted the parties that didnt play their specific taste. as the choice of music grew, the choice of parties grew simultaneously. this is not specific to this country as it seems that there have been coutless splits in this scene since 2000 (prog vs full on, old school vs new sound, night vs day, dark vs light etc etc) and it goes on and on!
this is of course, a pretty broad statement but it is how i experienced it.

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tHuJoN
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 01:11
I think ppl from the german part don't go that mutch to the french part and oposit because :

1.Most of their friends go to a party who is closed to the place they are living ... so they want to meet them ...

2.To drive for example from lucerne to geneva takes us 3 houers ...

3.There are sooo many parties around so why drive far ... ?

4.The musical taste ...

I mean in 1996 u had to search for Parties ... maybe 1 Partie a week or 2 ...so u drove also far for partying ...
Nowdays u have about 20 Parties to decide so u go to the one with the good Line up or to the close ones ...

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Stregone
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 15:44
Yeah Vins a lots of words...

but what is a forum about? if not speaking?
A +
le barde
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 17:22
yeah absolutly my friend ...
it was just a joke, but the post has been deleted.
Thujon is the guard of the right way here, i pray to be excused ....
zafer
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Posted : Nov 29, 2005 22:00
i missed vins's words but anyway if has been a bad boy we will take good care of him in ticino next time..... he he

you're xcused ;-)

bye
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