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famiable
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 03:58
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Wow..this discussion is pretty intense..and it should be..just shows how much importance people give to music in this community.
My 2 cents:
"Perception is reality". Everyone has their own thought process and make their own opinions and decisions. I learnt this a long time ago. People react to music in different ways. Some become euphoric, some introspective and some just plain lost and confused..lol;)
I categorize the music i hear based on the way i feel when i listen to it. dark psy could be bad or good depending upon whether it communicates a story to me that makes me think in ways I didnt see them before. Some tracks are not even melodic at all but are still psychedelic to me as they show me a different perspective towards life. But I am biased towards melodic psy just because my brain prefers it more and can listen to it longer as it has a soothing effect along with the mind bending aspect i like in psytrance.
As long as there is balance in the genres in a psy gathering, I always have a great time. in the end, its all about perception though and thats highly dependent upon the person you talk to. thats the beauty of music without words. you and me might be listening to the same track but we might have totally different thoughts relating to the track..isnt that great??:)
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Simian
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 04:24
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I just want to add that the separation is inevitable and it's not about "DARK" or full on.
What's the "DARK" anyways ?
Many projects that currently fall into the description category of "DARK", just bring a sensation of mistery and connection into my spirit and that ultimately leads to enlightenment from curiosity, logic and thought and never to darkness.That would be a good definition for psychedelic, but really, nothing to do with "DARK" or darkness.
The separation will and must be about MTV Israel's 2-and-a half-minutes-rising-trance and psychedelic music. About the posers in the scene and the people who go to the parties because its fashion or just for the drugs to the people who really seeks the true real outcome that we can pick from this music. And stop this "dark vs full on" war that comes only from posers to posers.
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Ulterior
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 04:50
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yesterday was israeli full on today it is dark trance.... pretty childish isnt it... wheres the soul of this music? In the lousy samples from horror films? HA? In the vocals of Infected Mushroom and Skazi? Pls come on .... I think its very logic for a music genre after some period to became global and comercial that makes advantages and disadvantages. Find your place and be happy.
Music is the only language that come very close to silence (OSHO)
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LoveLikeRain
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 06:24
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On 2007-01-26 12:04, ocelot wrote:
if someone is trying to tell me this is PSY then I want to know
1)where did the real psy go? its my religion. i want it back... |
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It's everywhere, and religion has started more wars then anything. Its a double edge sword.
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On 2007-01-26 12:04, ocelot wrote:
2)why did the bootycall people suddenly get interested in the word psy? its not like it helps them sell music or anything...... |
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Tastes change and people like what they like, just like you. Kinda cool huh? No need to try and controll them. It will never happen. Also if you are saying that you want evens that only have the kind of music you like THATS EASY!! THROW YOUR OWN EVENTS!!
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On 2007-01-26 12:04, ocelot wrote:i have more respect for Ibiza Cream than the sell-out of commercial sounding psy because at least it doesnt pretend to be offering the key to heaven... just a phat ride in a limo... you know?...... |
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No I am sure I dont know.
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On 2007-01-26 12:04, ocelot wrote:
i just feel like there are two points i've been trying to make here--
1) there is a wide range of music besides the proven formulas... calling every new artist DARK is not true, and not ok IMO. ok if they self-identify as DARK thats one thing- but dont make the jump without checking it out....
2) most of what people call psytrance today is NOT psychedelic trance--> and i point to precedent-
psychedelic trance is NOT some amorphous totally subjective term that can be used any way you wish-
it has to do with music that was the first to be called psychedelic trance- and WHAT is the legitimate artistic heir to this music?
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<Sigh>
artistic heir?
legitimate?
You take yourself way to serious mate. You do not define psychedelic for anyone other then YOU. To think otherwise is delusional.
Don’t worry about what others are calling the music. Just make music your heart tells you to and have fun!
The rest is just attempts of the ego to control.
The REAL keys to the kingdom rest in letting go of the Ego not embracing it. Indulging it.
Lets go of that
Dance your dreams
Your attempts to controll others will only lead to self delusion.
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LoveLikeRain
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 06:43
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On 2007-01-26 13:58, ocelot wrote:
psychedelic substances are basically plant spirits |
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And so is coke and heroin
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All too true.. |
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ocelot
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 07:16
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i take myself and YOU completely seriously because im a nerd DOOD. dont be mean.
and whats with trying to control my controlling of others?
and i think that this "dark" epiphet is probably the result of a viral meme of labeling rather than peoples actual perception being reflected in the term.
people just keep repeating "dark" for everything under the sun thats not full on or prog.
actually i have all these oldskool friends who call anything thats pretty hard "fullon"
they say "i like really full on stuff like kindzadza or MFG"
thats always really cute
using it like the adjective it is rather than some copyrighted stylistic name... |
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ocelot
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 07:20
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On 2007-01-27 12:41, Dennis the menace wrote:
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On 2007-01-26 13:58, ocelot wrote:
psychedelic substances are basically plant spirits |
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And so is coke and heroin
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i agree completely. and do you want to go where they take you?
i would say the mushroom (NOT something for parties for me anyway- a camping trip in nature maybe...)
brings a message of hope and survival.
of delicacy and energetic subtlety.
qualities our species can USE for sure.
but i digress...
i can accept that this is an amorphous world without real definitions.
words are signifiers and as such incomplete...
there are no ultimate verbal definitions for music as talking about music is like dancing about poetry as someone once said.
the next time someone calls moby dark i'll just smile and say "right"
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Yidam
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 07:25
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It's more than just the music... its how the dancefloor and reflects it. I've seen beautiful light emanating from faces that are vibrating to highly psychedlic twisted 'dark' music. And It's not dark anymore!!!
Seen twisted distorted lost souls on the same music... then I'm reminded why it's dark. It comes from within.
And the thing is everyone who reaches the point of bliss on these highly psychedelic sounds has been through the torturous side of it too. Thats where the elitist attidute comes from... come join me on this plane ... "if you can".
bah!
Its a great sound man... but instead of all this hoohaa, show people how to get there. |
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ocelot
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 07:36
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start with some ambient at about sunset
build up with minimal techy stuff
drop some real heavy blasters
then play some actually dark music around 3am
then play some mystical spirit world stuff
then play glorious but intelligent melodic music with a feeling of total spiritual rapture and abandon around sunrise
then you can go groovy and slow down a bit
then it can completely come apart with breaks or prog for the hot part of the morning
back down to downtempo until we go to complete ambient in the afternoon again...
start all over again... or finish the party and get a life.
hopefully involving communities of freaks playing by the river/beach |
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kikola
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 09:36
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On 2007-01-29 07:36, ocelot wrote:
start with some ambient at about sunset
build up with minimal techy stuff
drop some real heavy blasters
then play some actually dark music around 3am
then play some mystical spirit world stuff
then play glorious but intelligent melodic music with a feeling of total spiritual rapture and abandon around sunrise
then you can go groovy and slow down a bit
then it can completely come apart with breaks or prog for the hot part of the morning
back down to downtempo until we go to complete ambient in the afternoon again...
start all over again... or finish the party and get a life.
hopefully involving communities of freaks playing by the river/beach
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ahhhhhh  that is the way to do it imho......
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PlutoDelic
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 11:31
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On 2007-01-29 07:36, ocelot wrote:
start with some ambient at about sunset
build up with minimal techy stuff
drop some real heavy blasters
then play some actually dark music around 3am
then play some mystical spirit world stuff
then play glorious but intelligent melodic music with a feeling of total spiritual rapture and abandon around sunrise
then you can go groovy and slow down a bit
then it can completely come apart with breaks or prog for the hot part of the morning
back down to downtempo until we go to complete ambient in the afternoon again...
start all over again... or finish the party and get a life.
hopefully involving communities of freaks playing by the river/beach
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amen
ps, @topic, just like the term Morning, some people seem to missunderstand the difference between FEELING wich is connected with time, and identification wich is bullshit but very handy from artists
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ah pois eh!
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 12:52
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well i just to say i meet psychedelic musik at 97 listen to stuff like Astral Projection , Chi.a.d , Oforia etc... i at time for me it was pure psychedelic twisted musik today i listen to Ocelot , Mubali , Quasar etc... and i call it psychedelic musik still i just think it evolud like everything
dont remenber no buddy call dark to psy stuff full of energy and light so i think thats wierd that term
and yeah i know that there is ppl making musik with gothic or terror samples thats night stuff i think eheh
but have a listen to it realy ppl like Cosmo , Highko , AudioPhatik etc etc there is no dark there only in the brain of the ones who call it ...
free from dark and bad feellings was allways in my mind the main cause for psy partys
so if i call it dark musik partys ehe there was no sense for partys to me...
peace !!!
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 14:24
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The people who are making more money in this scene and commecializing it at this levels, like you can see what happens in Brasil or so many countries there this Labels, pruducers to sell more and more and get every week an 10000 ppl party they call all the rest of music that keeps the spirit of psychedelic or even music in general, (artists whe cares only about music) Dark music so that people are frightened of it to attend the parties and even just to listen on cd for example from Derango becasue they have already prejustice about it. And thats because spun, or any other label put the name on it. So problem is again big names pruduce quality, small names crap, that´s sad thing. but ok when it comes too massive than is no more art.
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Janczur (FOP)
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Posted : Jan 29, 2007 15:08
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Very nice discussion indeed...
well, i am against tagging any kind of trance music but i have something that should explain that tagging a bit.. at least here in Brazil..
Here psychedelic trance, as adigroovy said, has lost completly it´s essence.. thousands and thousands new people go to party for the first time nowadays and all them listen is homega and infected mushroom style which is so far from psychedelic trance i once met...
These people are sure this is psytrance...and consequently if we say here we are psytrance djs, that´s the stylke of music they mostly associate to you.... and u can imagine how bad it is to be thought of playing crappy pop music when you try to work fully psychedelic...
So what i guess is trance scene has splited in so many partys that this labeling has become somehow necessary...
I do not call this new psytrance psychedelic trance.. i would call clubbing music or something like this....
May be there should be another qualification.. psychedelic trance (which would involve all kinds of psychedelic music.. not mattering if it´s dark, full on or progressive trance) and another name for this new so called psytrance.. which from psychedelic doesn´t have even a fart...
What is a fact.. dark psychedelic or whatever you call it is the style that most gets closer to old psychedelic trance music... so that´s the one i enjoy most and consequently play...
keep psychedelic!
boom
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ocelot
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 01:07
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ok so there is the crap commercial trance that is out to completely rape the concept for all its worth... on ONE side...
and on the other end of the spectrum theres people making shock waves by putting pictures of dismembered babies on their artwork...
and ummm so what are we who care about providing a safe space for evolution and growth?
the way mr.Non-Judgemental put it- i should just shut up and not care about the labels...
but EXCUSE ME- i am being edged out of my own cadaver...?
i agree than many BIG name types use the word "dark" to scare people away from anything good and upcoming...
and i think you better SHIT your PANTS when some of this GabberDeadBaby ACTUALLY dark attitude comes along.... so
i guess im back to feeling significantly marginalized and upset about how on ONE hand there is actually dark music that is MOTHERFUCKING BLEAK- and im not talking about PERCEPTION mr.NonJudgemental, im talking about INTENTION.
there is a world of difference between someone thinking my music is dark (with me telling you to your face that my intention is to bring hope, light, and love ) and someone who says they will rip your face off and shit down your throat...
im sorry. i wont be placated by lies anymore...
there is darkness
and there is simply mysterious or lesser understood...
differentiate or not. its your world to lose if you dont
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