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Acid Angel
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 23:21
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On 2003-08-01 20:41, Dr. Borris wrote:
of course this could be also done other way but i belive that a party should be multistyled.
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Yeah, even a spread our over days such as at the full moon fest.....for me this really worked well...
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kriz
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Posted : Aug 3, 2003 17:57
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Borris
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Posted : Aug 3, 2003 19:46
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Logic mind, my problem isn't with full on. it's with parties that play ONLY full on from start till end cause every DJ wants to prove he is the best Killer DJ.
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logic mind
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Posted : Aug 3, 2003 20:07
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imo every d.j plays his own kind of music, for example, if you'll go to a party where the d.j's are astrix, skazi and alien project, you'll find a full time full on party....
it depends what d.j's the party orgenaizers are inviting to play in their partys, and because the full on crowd is getting bigger and bigger, the orgenaizers won't take the chance of losing money...
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Inu
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Posted : Aug 4, 2003 07:18
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I could simply say that variety is good; good for the scene, the djs, the dancers... but the notion of splitting the scene raises some additional points, and I'd like to address them.
Goa started with everything. Everything. You had the Eurodisco, acid house, techno, new wave, industrial, EBM sounds, and more all feeding into one scene.
If someone had decided "I'm sick of this dark industrial, let's just play house", the genres would never have fused into Goa.
We're mutants, freaks, hybrids. So what is the next hybrid? And how do we get there?
I personally feel that the old, analogue synth, Oriental melody Goa sound needs to be preserved -- along with the nineties cyberpunk optimism that, AFAIK, drove it. That approach to music and living life made a huge impression on me, and I'm not willing to let it go. At the same time I'd be saddened if the newer, progressive psy-club tracks never made the rounds... some of it is damn good music.
The same goes for "new full on" -- I want to hear that too, though it does bother me that 98's night music has become today's morning music. 
More importantly, we need something new and transgressive -- what that is, I don't know. Maybe full-on night ambient? Morning darkness? 4*4 gangsta rap goa? (okay, maybe not that).
I just don't feel that a scene split to please people would be conducive to that sort of experimentation. Or any experimentation at all, really.
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Acid Angel
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 16:13
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Is it possible to discuss two seperate trends.... I wanna take ur point nectarios but not put any words in ur writting but u put some good examples (i feel) of middle ground artists, shakta bamboo forest and aphid moon (who all coincidentally release on the excellent dragonfly label). These artists don't too me take full as far as many israelli guys but fall far from the progression of german stables.
There are extremes in the music but stuff in between too..
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VCO
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Posted : Aug 7, 2003 12:12
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I will agree with Acid Angel on the extremes part...we are talking about psy-trance music here, not the fastest, most "powerfull trance", it is music, not a race or wrestling match. It seems like a lot of people, mainly the younger ages (not all of course) have been missing the point. I have always been into acts like Transwave, MWNN, Bamboo Forest, Joti, Steve Ronan + Purple, Slinky Wizard, Bubling Loons, Atmos, Man Made Man, Tristan, X-Dream, Shakta, Tarsis...etc. The majority of the full-on "psy-trance" that is being played nowdays has NOTHING to do with that... 145+ BPM, same kick, same VB1/Nord like 16th bassline, add some scratchy/scrapy lead, a sample from Event Horizon, or The Matrix and some silly melody and you have a hit that everyone is raving about. Eveyone seems to be concentrating on the melodies and stuff, and missing the whole atmosphere that the music outputs. Progressive relates much more to my old favourites than the new full-on stuff.
It is just my personal opinion anyway, but you people seem to think otherwise and that is well respected.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me on this one...it has verified my initial conclusions.
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Anak
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Posted : Aug 7, 2003 12:45
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Jeff
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Posted : Aug 7, 2003 16:15
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On 2003-08-07 12:12, VCO wrote:
Eveyone seems to be concentrating on the melodies and stuff, and missing the whole atmosphere that the music outputs. Progressive relates much more to my old favourites than the new full-on stuff.
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Agree 1000%. So many Full-on productions without the slightest bit of psychedelia in it. The only relevant common point I can think of is the heavy bassline. 
And this is linked to the "commercialism" threads keeping popping up here and there on the forum : IMO, it is not Psy Trance as a whole which is (maybe...) being commercialised, but rather the Full-on clubby tracks.
The day I'll hear Kox Box - Color Drops or something similar on a mainstream radiostation, I'll change my mind, but until then...
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technoid
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Posted : Aug 8, 2003 00:46
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Parties would suck if the music was the same all the time. I prefer things generally more 'avin it, the morning being my favourite time at parties, especially if the dancefloor is awash with acid. A lot of the more laid back trance bores me silly on the dancefloor although I really like it to listen to at home. That's cool though, it means I get to socialise while I'm not too fucked up then hit the dancefloor when I can communicate better by laughing and dancing. And get to hear some new music when my judgement is clear!
The only thing that frustrates me is when one set has a totally different vibe to the next and all the energy gets lost.
I'd hate to see any 'scene' I'd consider my self a part of to split. Everyone who participates plays a valid part. Isn't the Trance scene in particular about bringing people together? Or have I missed the point?
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kriz
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Posted : Aug 8, 2003 11:49
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a lot of you keep refering the full-on sound only to artists like gms, alien project and asterix.. Sure this is the original "full-on sound"...
But in the last years I think a new "style in psytrance" namely, Full-Power, this kind of music stays at the peak throughout the songs .. there are no ups or downs, keeping it at the peak and peaking it (even more) ..
I dont know if this make sense for you, but there are some differences between releases from acidance/parvati/schlabberduerst and spun/3dvision/TIP .. (not negative at all, but there are differences in style)
If anyone have seen goa gil live (sure you have). He plays for the mostly (if not only) full-power stuff, keeping everyone at the peak as long as possible ..
And this is what trance is for me, to go totally into trance when reality is sound and everything is expressed through movement and expressions ..
I dont see psytrance ever going commercial this way, never ... And I dont mind progressive stuff at all, but this is just my thoughts about it ... no offence people 
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traveller
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Posted : Aug 8, 2003 12:47
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how do i get this feeling that i'm pretty much the only one who's going to samothraki because of the chill stage.. =)
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