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VCO
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Posted : Jul 31, 2003 17:11
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Do you think that splitting the scene in two would be good for us tranceheads?
There are people that are into the slower tech stuff, and people that are into the faster full on stuff.
I for one get bored when there is full on stuff coming out of the P.A. only because I am not into full on music, not because I think it sucks as a style (please do not turn this thread into a war, it is music we are talking about).
Other people want more "having it" stuff and get bored at the slower 130-135BPM stuff.
I go to parties and have a geat time until a Dj starts playing full on music. It is not necessarily a bad thing as for the duration of their full-on set I go for a walk in the nice forest (outdoor), or go to the bar for more drinks and get into nice conversations with beautifull women (indoor/outdoor).
Do you think that having parties with only full-on artists and different ones with only prog/tech ones would be for the best? or for the worst?
I understand that festival promoters (not all)would rather mix it up and get everyone in there, but what about you punters?
Look at Samothraki this year, the line up for the main stage is so contradictory. At least last year we/I had the comfort of the second stage...
Of course we can all get along as people, but what about your nights/days out? How whould you want things to be?
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Surrender
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Posted : Jul 31, 2003 17:49
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VCO, I dont think the scene should be "split" into two, the concept doesnt even make sense to me... who is spilitting? with what tools? in what fashion? i truly think that a good party indoor and especially ofcourse outdoors should have a correct flow. this to me means, night music at night, and morning music in the morning... i cant tell you how frustrating it is to me to hear full on at 1am or even at 2-3-4... i believe its not the right time for it... i love full on, but if it wasnt for the lower bpm, progressive sounds and darker sounds of the night, the morning madness doesnt.... "work". on the same note, i think that parties that are only progressive sounds or tech trance or minimal till and including the morning are boring to me. so splitting in my opinion is a bad idea, even though i dont really think that it could be done anyway... have you ever heard the full on melodies at around dawn, somewhere in the dessert maybe or on a nice hill, you start seeing the sun come up and you realize that this place you were diggin and raising dust at all night is so beautiful, you start seeing the people you have been sharing this place with, and they are all beautiful and individual and colorful and smiling, smiling because they havent been stomping to full on all night long and they are not that tired and the music, and the dj are elevating them to a whole new level..... this is the perfect balance in my opinion my friend and its great when it happens. 
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VCO
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Posted : Jul 31, 2003 18:01
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Surrender, all the stuff you wrote about full-on melodies is great and I appreciate how much you enjoy the music, and hey if it makes you happy...great! There is nothinwrong with that.
But it does not work for me, no matter if I am on a hill/forest/beach (haven't heard it in the desert..but I do not think it will work there either  ).
I can go on and on about the good things of tech/prog, but this is not the point of this thread...just take my word for it that I like it very much, anytime, anyplace.
When I say split the scene in two, I just mean the parties, since everyone is free to buy the CDs or 12" the want, without having to buy full on stuff as well.
It is not a take sides and start killing each other matter, it is just about going to parties and having fun through and through. Full-on is not night time or morning music to me...it just does not do it.
But your opinion is respected and written on the scoreboard.
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Surrender
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Posted : Jul 31, 2003 18:10
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, again, let me fine tune my point then my friend... i didnt mean to go on about the full on melodies in order to make you change your mind about the music... i stress the point of a balance of a party. balance in a party is very key to me, the morning music doesnt need to be GMS type to be full on, it just needs to be happier, cruisier, more colorful then the equally important night tech/prog. i am not taking sides here, please undertand that and i respect your love to prog/tech as well. i also think that trance parties are a union of people, i would like that union to be as broad as possible as long as the participants are all in good spirits, so in my opinion splitting the scene may result in losing that unity and that's not something i want in my parties.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jul 31, 2003 18:35
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At least last year we/I had the comfort of the second stage...
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krelm
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Posted : Jul 31, 2003 18:50
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On 2003-07-31 17:11, VCO wrote:
Do you think that splitting the scene in two would be good for us tranceheads?
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God no. That is the type of shit that would keep me away from a party. I don't want to hear an entire party of full-on or an entire party of prog. I like variety! If people start to whine because there is a full-on DJ playing a set and they hate all full-on (or vice versa with progressive), then I say to them "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!"
In the end, promoters should have the type of music they want to have at their parties. If you want all full-on, by all means do it. Ditto for progressive. I will usually just stay away from both types of parties. But if EVERYBODY started doing that, it would kill it for me.
There is so much musical range in the huge genre of what we consider psytrance. There are 2 ways it can go...segregation of the sounds into parties with just one sound, or using all of it to build a diverse musical story throughout the party. I know what my preference between those two is.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 03:55
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I'm thinking, maybe another "split" is possible: Good music and bad music
In my opinion there is enouigh time in a party for both slower and faster stuff.
You can start from 120BPM and move slowly to 160 or vice versa. It doesn't matter, as long as the music is GOOD
And that's what makes trance different from popular music - good music can come in any form,color and speed
Notice I didn't write progressive or fullon troughout my entire post |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 05:09
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i agree with krelm, and timmy. and also surrender.
actually i agree with everybody except VCO 
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 06:14
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And I agree with Gilad... 
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Vicky
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 08:06
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kriz
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 12:33
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well you can choose wich festival you want to attend to, some festivals are more prog and some more full-on orientated (and ofcourse the norm with some full-on and some prog...)
I dont see this as any problem cause you choose whatever you want to yourself ...
(Udu wudu Festival - Serbia - hard full-on,
Sun Rite 2003 Open Air Festival - Spain hard full-on)
I know there are also several festivals with lots (if not only) prog sounds ..
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 13:18
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I see the diversity as a strength in general, let the music adapt....in 2,3,4 years i hope it,s even more 'split'....more choice more freedom. |
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Borris
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 20:41
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Our music keeps on splitting and splittig.
It started from being Electronic Dance music.
Split into Techno - House - Trance
Split into Goa - Club trance
Split into Full on - Progressive
I wish we would stop the splits and rejoin forces.
Progressive to start, Tech for night, Full on for peak, Melodic prog for late morning...
belive me this way it works and there is a nice varied party that progresses logically taking you from one place to another like a proper trance party should.
of course this could be also done other way but i belive that a party should be multistyled.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 21:28
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On 2003-08-01 20:41, Dr. Borris wrote:
Progressive to start, Tech for night, Full on for peak, Melodic prog for late morning...
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logic mind
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Posted : Aug 1, 2003 21:47
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well, for first, the full on music is an unseperste part of the trance music, it;s vibes, it's melodies, it's beat, are all just perfect for the dance floor.
in our time, our small trance scene is getting smaller and smaller and we cant split it more than it is already splits.
people who don't love the full on kind of trance (and there aren't many of them) should'nt come to the parties where they are playing this kind of music, i'm sure that for those who are not like the full on part of trabce there are parties with kind of music that feets more....
me pesonaly like every kind of trance music, including dark acid and pumping full on (lucky me )
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