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lurk
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 12:42
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This happened at a psytrance party in Amsterdam at the weekend...
Man killed in blaze at illegal house party
15 November 2004
AMSTERDAM — The organiser of an illegal house party in the Dutch capital has been arrested and charged with culpable homicide following the death Sunday of a 27-year-old Amsterdam man in a warehouse fire.
The 30-year-old man who organised the event also faces en enormous damages bill resulting from the blaze, which erupted at about 8am on Sunday in a part of warehouse used by squatters. A further six people were treated in hospital for burns and breathing difficulties.
Police have launched an investigation into the Amsterdam East fire and while arson was not initially suspected as the cause of the fire, the possibility has not been ruled out either, newspaper Het Parool
reported Monday.
Authorities had previously shut down three parties at the squatted premises, the last such raid taking place in June. Residents and business have regularly complained about the squatters.
But police said they cannot simply eject the squatters, asserting that a civil procedure is currently in progress. Police intensified surveillance in response to the complaints, but claim they had not detected loud music.
Ten or so squatters have been living in the warehouse for the past two years and a few hundred partygoers were in attendance when the fire broke out.
A witness has claimed the fire was caused by an electrical short circuit in a stereo system, while another said a cigarette or tea-warmer led to the fire. The exact cause of the blaze is still under investigation.
Panic erupted soon after the fire broke out because partygoers were unable to escape through the locked front door. They then crammed through a small door in the front roller door, while several others exited through a toilet window. Windows were also smashed open.
The owner of the premises, broadcast company NOB, had previously started legal proceedings to evict the squatters. It lodged a complaint in May 2004 against the squatters and has denied responsibility for the blaze.
The renter of the premises, EFF — a company that leases studios, cameras and lighting equipment — is demanding the organiser of the party pay damages.
(taken from expatica.com)
Apart from the tragic loss of life, the guy they arrested faces these terrible charges and an estimated 2 million euro law suit. From what I have heard, he wasn't even the organiser of the party.
As well as this (although secondary to everything else) it is a huge blow to the psytrance scene in Amsterdam. Few legal venues will have anything to do with our type of music, and this sort of party was how the scene has existed for years. |
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 12:49
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It's a tragic accident man! what can be done i do not know but it is an accident and absolutely not on purpose so here we can see how stupid society is! the poor organiser is chanrged incorrectly how can we help? Any Ideas?
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 13:26
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that's what you get with bad locations..
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blueOrb
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 13:39
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sorry for me neing cold hearted but i really dont give a damn about such things.....they keep happening around the world.....people keep dying and people keep getting into serious trouble but u really cant do much....life goes on.....moreover i think this has nothing to do with this forum as it was a house party..........
and yes the organiser should be sued as its his reponsiblity to ensure proper steps are taken to avoid accidents.....common man fire safety is one of the first things u shld take care of........he has risked peoples life by not taking proper safety measures.......fire exit doors for any party in closed places shld be properly taken care of......
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blueOrb
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 13:40
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 13:43
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@ blueorb
I understand your point man but just imagine you are an organiser and that you haven't thought of this and it happens to you well i think i still feel a little pity for the organiser i am sure he did not mean anything wrong! He just wanted people to have a good time!
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pr0fane
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 13:46
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No, it was NOT a house-party - It’s the media that got it wrong.
I agree that fire safety should have top priority though, and if the organiser isn’t responsible, who is? Good intentions doesn’t justify you acting carelessly (note that I’m not saying that was the case here) - but of course a huge lawsuit against the organiser won’t solve anything. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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lurk
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 13:55
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On 2004-11-16 13:39, blue orb wrote:
sorry for me neing cold hearted but i really dont give a damn about such things.....they keep happening around the world.....people keep dying and people keep getting into serious trouble but u really cant do much....life goes on.....moreover i think this has nothing to do with this forum as it was a house party..........
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it's your right to be cold hearted. if you would have read carefully you would have seen that it was a psytrance party, a "house party" was the press term for it.
as to the fact you think the organiser should be sued, well, again that's your opinion. my opinion is that if you go to an illegal party you acknowledge and accept the risk, just as when you go parachuting you accept the fact the parachute may not open. the pilot does not get the blame if the parachutist falls when his 'chute doesn't open.
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ganjagil
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 14:00
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@ lurk
I agree with you in this term that when it's illegal the best thing would be that everybody get's the blame not only the promoter! I mean what would they do sue all of us! And if you go to illegal party you know it's illegal and you still go what happens to you is your problem! People organise parties for other people to enjoy and something like this happens and everybody does not do anything about it it's crazy! On the other hand we should take this thread also as a lesson and make psy parties with some caution i think...
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lurk
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 14:08
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my point exactly. it is also worth noting that witnesses say that the poor guy who died got out safely, then went back in to see if anyone was stuck in there (perhaps more than once). Also, the police had been during the night and had failed to stop this party, a fact which it seems they are now trying to cover up.
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 15:28
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Wow man,We been organizing several squatt parties over the las years,and to tell you the truth...well it wasn´t the most secure location at all.
But what about the illegal parties mane on the countryside during the extremely dry season in the summer,just a small cigarette,or roach and bwalla!!!Fire in the place with massive destruction o ancient forests.
Blame who,sue who???
It´s all about common sense.
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 15:35
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it's not like there's much to be done. in the end it's the organizers fault.. poor guy..
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Surrender
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 15:44
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dammit, i saw this on the news and had the feeling it was a psy event... i could tell by how the escaped were dressed... shame 
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 16:17
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Very sad for the families and the people hurt by this...
Of course its up to the organizer to ensure the safety of the people attending - but this sort of incident is almost impossible to avoid in an underground party scene where professionalism and accoundability really are not what people focus on / understand.
So its sad, but it is one of the riscs you have to deal with when you arrange an underground event - and if you decide to go to one.
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Satyr
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Posted : Nov 16, 2004 16:52
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... situation is still boiling and brewing thicker by the hour ..
now even the government is talking about breaking up the squat laws
and making it impossible for a huge part of the dutch scene
to party
after all the love and light,
it seems the time is here
to scream and fight
- dance for freedom!
here u can read a letter, addressed to the mayor of amsterdam,
written by the "local heart of the scene"
http://www.forum.amsterdam.nl/forum/list_messages/109
at the moment many people are gathering food and clothing
for the homeless squatters who lost everything.
soon benefits will come to be ...
my and many others' thoughts are with all family and friends
of Moon / Mounir
who died in the fire last Sunday
after he went back into the building to safe others.
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