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Space Cat's Mastering Skills (or lack there of)
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 23:34
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yep I can EQ  And you'll see plenty of my mixes once I purchase my new computer end of March, other things have come first and I can;t afford to purchase it right now (I had to buy my partner a new scooter/wheelchair for $8000)....
and age means shit buddy, I said little not young
and for your knowledge Mars and I are on excellent speaking terms, we email each other quite reguarly
He understands the real reason for what happened at Psynews, and he agrees I made the right decision.
My day has been made seeing you get so pissed off  Have a great week Fallen Angel (are you the devil or just gay?), you've made it perfect now for me *kiss-kiss*
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 23:37
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get a room will you?
your tiresome crap gets boring mate!
How about you do something FOR the scene rather than just complain about it - or are you too retarded?
Oh and yeah, lets hear your mixes since your so critical! Then we can decide if ur just full of shit or just a shit stirring shit |
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Magox
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 23:42
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journeyman
the topic is interesting, but the manner in the way you presented was disrespectful. But that's nothing to be surprised of coming from you, it's just in your nature.
I do have to agree with some other people's mention of son kite. What more can you say about them, their "the masters" in just about everything they do, from creating incredible tunes, doing "real" live complicated sets, their mastering and dj sets. What progression!!
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 01:10
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On 2008-01-20 15:18, duyoush wrote:
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On 2008-01-20 14:46, Elad wrote:
i compare it with tim shuldt , domestic and son kite mastering..
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LOL, yeaaa, right...u need to get down from the tree that u climbed on...couse u still a little kid compare to the artists that u mention...(tim shuldt,domestic,son kite)
to do a mastering to a cd is not an easy work and with out really great ears( talent that even artists dont have for mastering) and great equipment ( and i dont mean like all the progrems that every kid have from dl throw the internet..)
Mastering is the final gate and check before the cd is rls and need to give it a serious attention and not every kid that start to do music year ago and rls an album can do it properly..
dont get me wrong.. u might make some good music(if ppl say so..) but its not the same with mastering...
masteirng should be made by experiance ppl or studios that deal with cd's mastering...
This is my opinion...
Cheers
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well im sure u talk from hearing my work, which of the tracks u find not good?
there is another part to the post if u missed it here is is again:
I have started to expirience mastering , did so far one cd and working on the second now...
i reken the result was pritty good , the label and 80% of the artists were happy with it..
and i did compare with many cds done by tim shuldt , and its not lack almost anything just little bit of "roundness" , frequency volume and dynamics are prity much OK , not amazing yet and not fully polished , but hey u got to start somewhere , concider i dont have yet fancy hardware.. yeah they have this obvious advantage + more years expirience , but they will cost about 5 or 10 times more.. www.sattelbattle.com
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 01:12
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Please you guys stop the private party (or fight). Please discuss this in private.
I'm with Pavel here. Dark psy tunes usually sound much noisier than average stuff. In terms of production quality most dark psy artists are far, far away from today's standard in slower/less_packed music.
Of course, this should not be used as an excuse for bad mastering. Any retard can master a track, for example, most artists sort-of-master their own tracks to release them on the Net, but performing real high quality mastering is another issue.
I will also add that Shulman does excellent mastering.
About Space Cat, he usually does a better job than most other people in this scene. Maybe the problem is that he is not used to master dark psy or bad mixes (anyone can tell the difference between the two? LOL  Just a joke, I like some proper night stuff).
Respect!
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 01:20
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well she started it 
It is tiresome to hear people who are supposed to be scene members slag off others without good cause apart from the intention of starting a fight
Do you fuck as well as you dance?
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 01:21
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2 more things
full_on , since u have the "v.a - snap crackle drop!" please tell me your opinion (be honest , i can handle it...)
no need to go private since we talk on realesed cd here.. i would actualy love to get response... original cd holders please (judge mp3 and i will no longer concider you as reliable sound reference) if u still think it should go private feel free to delete..
and about space cat im not sure that i have cd that he made so i defintly not saying anything personal
*thanx fallen angel , good to get response , specialy when its not something horrible www.sattelbattle.com
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 01:26
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^chill Elad - JMP was starting a knees up for the sake of it |
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 01:32
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I was talking about The Journey Man Project and Fallen Angel.
Snap Crackle Drop is ok. I'm not an expect to judge the quality of a mastering, specially when I don't have the same tracks mastered by someone else to compare.
To me, above certain threshold it is acceptable. Snap Crackle Drop pass the acid test. But for example, the VA Digital Performers, mastered by Space Cat was released some years ago and is as good as it.
My point is that it is not easy to judge mastering if you're not familiar with it.
Respect!
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 01:43
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allrighty then
cheers full_on
btw i started getting into it only due to the simple fact that some tracks of mine realesed in such awfall quality that my home quick thing sounded so much better..  so i agree with the basic idea of the topic (not about space cat) - good mastering is must!
so on v/a's that have my trakcs i insist on rather master the cd myself or to have listen to the final version and decide which is on the actual cd.. just to not get the shock again , and not to present false idea about my mixing skills.. since then im happy with evry track realeses and the smile is back on (most been done by tim shildt , great work! never swaped track that he did)
as well my album , the mastering studio made 2 versions since i didnt like the first , and the second was great and im happy that i insist and reccomend all artists to take it in mind , good master will present your work better so demand it!
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 02:01
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soz full-0n
wasn't meaning to continue a scrap
carry on - I'think I made my point quite clear |
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 03:11
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I apologise as well mr Full-On... I guess it is hard not to respond so much when somebody contantly says they will ignore you, then replies... on top of being extremely hypocrital buy stating such forum rules as "do not insult another individula" and then goes on to do so themselves...
back on topic:
Can Pavel or Full-On please show me some statistical data by an independent source that proves the general quality of dark psy is lower than full on or progressive!?
I'd love to see it, because I think that a moderator showing this kind of attitude is not what being a moderator is about... you are supposed to keep the peace, not create antagonism which you often do my friend Full-On... especially just as you lock a topic and nobody can reply to you. You and Mr Nemo from Psynews would get along well
So prove to me with real independant stats (meaning not some stuff you came up with, ir anybody who is affiliated with you in any personal way (work, play, love, family etc.) that Dark Psy is a lower qaulity than other styles and I will then apologise to mr Space Cat. Until then, I think you have biased attitudes that can go suck my dang-a-long
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 03:13
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oh and if you don;t like my attitude... ignore me i know my girlfriend often does
*kiss-kiss* to all my fellow shanti hippies on here let's go take acid and talk to our chemical gods stolen from other cultures
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 03:21
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There is an interesting topic buried beneath all this inflammatory rhetoric and senseless name-calling... as it so happens I feel that Space Cat's mastering is fine, and there is indeed a great deal of low-quality darkpsy on the market.
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 21, 2008 03:50
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proof instead of words.
you can say anything, but unless you have proof then it means nothing
all this lack of proof means that your biased ideaologies are what is behind it.
See, I pay out on full on, but never once did I claim that it was at a lower quality audio wise... I just said I think the style of music is crap.
but Mr Pavel and cohorts (notice they all also spend their lives on Psynews.org) take it further... with no pr00f
end of story:
I think Space Cat and others mastering is crap.
Others think it is ok.
Psynews members bastardize things, do not know the role of a moderator, and make threats via pm (I only threatened you back when you did it first Fallen Angel). Hence why I left.
why not lock this topic Full-On? and add your last $0.02 of verabl diohrrea?
hehe bet youy ban me along the way *muah* hugs to hippies
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