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PoM
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 00:49
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On 2011-10-28 18:04, disco hooligans wrote:
None of them performed any miracles, the Sonnox still has the most depth, imo. Although I can see my self using the API, SSL and Kramer version at some point in the future when they suit a certain type of bassline.
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the cla 1176 are very good indeed and the waves eqp1a and fairchild too but it s more some one trick pony, psp old timer ME is quiet good too, it s not flexible like sonnox but they have nice color...personanly i like to have very flexible tools and use a saturator for color like the soundtoys one and tape emus or nebula for specific task like boosting the low or the highs or getting more richness tickness to the sound..they all sound like a joke compared to nebula when it comes to realism for eq or little saturation, if one try the demo, it s crap.. only the 3rd party librarie rox  |
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 01:52
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 13:45
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On 2011-10-29 00:49, PoM wrote:
..they all sound like a joke compared to nebula when it comes to realism for eq or little saturation, if one try the demo, it s crap.. only the 3rd party librarie rox
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Thanks for the heads up, downloading the free Nebula and AquaVox plugs to check them out.
Peace.
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 16:01
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the free demo there is no good stuff mate...i was very hesitant to buy it, a friend told me to buy it and buy some libraire, i did and it s really in a other league than the demo stuff ,check mamouth eq, i think there is a free demo to use on nebula free, it s a massive passive sampled, boost the highs and smile. workflow it s not that easy and it s a bit complex plugin with settings and how to use but sound is good |
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 16:55
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i find this demo (lower quality) you can use in nebula free , it s aculture vulture but nebula can t do full on distortion yet, it s more subblt warming settings..dunno if s it s a convaicing librarie (i have the full one but it s not what impressed me the most..i definelety love the eqs and some preamps and tapes like the great river, the mci heritage console eq ,neve ,ssl,pultec,massive passive,studer.. as close as you can get to the real thing today )but maybe with it you will get a bit of the realism plugins lack and hear nebula qualities..
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 17:34
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I am going to have to wait a bit to try the free version of Nebula as it did not pass the validation test of Logic 9. emailed Acustica with the details of the problem and I'll wait to get a response bacl. Strange because Aqua Vox works just fine...
I try it out and then see if its worth buying the libraries.
One thing's for sure tho, after even more comparison, I am not going to buy the Waves plugs after the demo expires.
Too much money for the quality on offer.
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 17:36
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strange cause here the validation passed fine when trying nebula free on logic 9 anyway with nebula there is always some hassle at the begining... it have the best sound and cost way less than uad and waves but it come with the price of investing time into it it s not very intuitive, but once you get things sorted like setting it up for best sound qualty ,getting used to the workflow..it work just fine in logic but it s not as convenient as the usual plugins..just for one eq band it use way more cpu for example,i can run like 20 instance (20 eq bands) on my mac i think at 96Khz...it won t replace usual plugins.. but man , i got the ssl eq some time ago (for 25 dollar i think..)and let me tell you other ssl emulation are just a joke.. you can get great sound with them for sure, but does it sound like SSl 4000 or 9000 eq no fucking way |
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 17:59
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I like using things that are not very intuitive at first. I am pretty fast getting my head around things and I see it as a pleasant challenge to get a good sound out of cheap stuff.
There's no way I could ever afford the real SSL modules, but convolution (in theory) sounds as close as possible, which is more than enough for me.
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 18:02
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yeah me too but sometimes for the workflow its not easy to integrate, in most nebula program you get one band par plugin instance for example , it s good to use in combinaison to usual plugins, for boosting frequency for example and get some of the realism /depth plugins often lack.
it s convolution the hardware is often sampled at many knobs position but it s dynamic convolution it s way more complex than usual convoltuion that are static |
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 18:12
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Its not so much the EQ with nice curves that sweet sounds when boosting. I almost never use EQs to boost frequencies, I almost always use subtractive EQ. Its the compressor and preamp convolution algos I am eager to try out.
And regarding workflow, its all a trade off between quality and ease of use, unless you have the really expensive hardware.
In any case I started making music using a monophonic modular analog synth, which was not practical at all, but I learned to be patient, even tho using software meant that we have released 30 tracks in the last 3 years.
I am going back to taking my time more with music making. We got to a point where we released enough music and get to travel enough.
Now I want to get down into the very fine details and sound I personally enjoy, most...even if the listeners will not tell the difference between an TAL Bassline and the Roland SH-101, or Sylenth and the x0xb0x.
Reverb wise Space Designer and the Lexicon Plugs cover all my needs and sound better than my old (ok, budget) Lexicon MPX-100 and MPX-1 and although different, but in the same league as my old Eventide Eclipse.
The fact that I also have many instances of them, makes them the obvious choice when making music.
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Posted : Oct 29, 2011 18:16
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the compressors in nebula not ready yet, they have the color and sound of the real thing but the compression behavior s not nailed yet, but it s getting close.
it s good at tape and eq and reverb mostly or runing into any gears to capture his color like a preamp, a tube compressor... eq boost sound lovely on some librairy and can really enhance the sound wiht a musica quality like the hardware |
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Posted : Nov 1, 2011 23:41
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i demo the waves cla , specially curious about the 76 as i remember i enjoyed this comp when i first tried it , i set a kick then compressed it with a distressor with a short attack to get the ploc a la 808 with around 6 db of gain reduction, it was sounding good and really usable, then i tried with the cla and a/b between both to try to get closer but the distressor was really in a other league..the cla can have a nice color at first but when i a/b it sound blurry and more a plugin sound, like it s band limited ...also it don t catch the peaks in a convaicing way on a psy kick drum when using fast attack. i tried a few other plugins comp that failed as well. my trusty psp comp oldtimerMe in clean gave me decent sound.( i tried it in vavle mode too vs the cv and distresor but it was not really comparable)
it s not as in your face as the distressor, this thing could bring a sound that is behind the mix totally upfront and cut in the mix ,the psp is a other type of compressor emulation anyway,it dont make much sense to a/b these 2 but its was better than the other plug i tried for keeping the sound natural but sill compressed with 6db(the attack and release can be tricky to set and it can pump out of control ,but the sound in inteself was sounding less like a plugin than the cla comp,in clean mode it was really decent ) |
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Posted : Nov 2, 2011 00:25
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i a/bed the decapitator to the culture vulture too ,after one or 2 weeks using the cv as replacement , i loaded decap and to my surprise i said to mysefl wtf, i a/b a little but there was not much point, decap is a great plug and i will still use it a lot cause it bring something different, but it s like something missing, it s sounded flatter ,not as "organic" maybe, less "dynamic range",the low and highs fail.. it sounded more like a plugin but still something great to use for what it does.
i really thought it would be closer to the vulture maybe to the point to make me regret buying one, but no, they are different beast, decap great for colder distortion |
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Posted : Nov 2, 2011 04:38
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You can't possibly compare a high end multi-valve distortion box with decapitator, they will never sound the same. having said that and altho I am drooling over the Vulture, I think decapitator sounds brilliant, especially when you consider the price and that you can have many instances of it and the ability to always tweak all of them in real time, until you get it just right...instead of having to bounce one channel, in order to use it for another.
+ it does not rob the bottom end.
I just wish it had two bias knobs...but hang on, you can put two decapitators in series and adjust both bias buttons to get a nice mix of the dark and treble tones.
As far as comps go, I think the Sonnox sounds better than all the new expensive, Waves ones, be it on kick and/or bassline duty. It sounds better on the kick and bass buss, as well. Its depth, definition and programability and overall sound, far outweigh the nicer GUI of the Waves plugs.
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Posted : Nov 2, 2011 12:51
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yeah agree with decapitator ,the vulture dont make it useless i will still use it as they sound different,decapitator is good for saturation with a colder caractere but still with not much harshness. |
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