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buzzee
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:25
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Nameste....to all you guys...
We all talk about killer tracks.....good baseline...craze artists.....etc...
I have not yet seen any names of any engineers on the forum...
Definetely the track are made by the artist....But the guys who engineers & masters the track..and make it all so wonderful...the one who give finishing touch...what about him...?
They are never talked about...
who are the best engineers in the bussiness...?
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CLAW
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:29
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There are lots of artists that do this job... Is not something new and if u search in any release, Im sure that u will find many familiar names, mastering some releases...
One that just came to my mind is Xenomorph 
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:40
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There's a reason why it says:
"Written, Produced and Engineered by " on some CD's.
99.5% do their own Engineering... Some better than other |
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Surrender
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 20:55
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On 2005-02-17 20:25, buzzee wrote:
They are never talked about...
who are the best engineers in the bussiness...?
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depends who youve been talking to mate
i enjoy the mastering work of Domestic and Shulman from the names you recognize in our scene. Spacecat is another one that is doing a good job for others, but i find something missing there...
if he had the time... Silicon Sound would probably be one of the best, for now, he is concetrating on his own tracks (which always sound brighter and better with his mastering then the labels who release his tracks.)
those are just to name some of my favs. The Twisted crew takes care of their own stuff as well. as HandA said, read the inside booklet/sleeve - it usually has this info.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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phobium
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 21:39
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As HandA said, 99.5% do their own engineering. Since it's electronic music, there's not much need for a sound engineer. I think it's cool a lot of cd's these days says who's doing the mastering.
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CLAW
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 21:51
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Fingax
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 00:54
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you're forgetting those artists are engeneers.. loll
Twisted crew and some other are engeneers and musicians, perfect combination for theyr own stuff..
i've heard from engeneerings that the most engeneering work around the trance scene is bad.
usually done with cheap and not so good quality equipment..
i was surprised when some engeeniers said about "errors" in the master or in the track. Like unbalanced freq.
i think most ppl dont realise what mastering is all about or seek other thing in the master that really plese them.. i don't know couse i'm not an engeneer but i hope to be one day..
ther are some several artist that master theyr own stuff but when compared to a good master done by a pro it sounds cheat..
For me Twisted records come out with one of the best sound quality that the trance scene could have.
I told about how briliant and gr8 infected mushroom quality sounds too me. The engeenier said me that, those guys do wonderfulls with such a few equipment. that was why they were so good. because they didnt needed a ultrakillermasterstudio to get theyr good sound, but of course is good but nothing compared with whats going on in Hollywood and Big cinema industry mastering studios. IOts the best so far, the cinema industry ..
hope my prespective about this could help ...
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Fingax
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 01:00
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so dont foget if u dont know what is a good mastering u can't jude any.. hehehhh
i'm trying to learn..
i've changed sometimes my opinion about this. But it was speacking and learning from others xperience that i realise how bad this situation is in the trance scene about the sound quality.
Im not into the deal of "you make your own master".. ythats bullshit if you're looking for gr8 sound, or you're an engeneering like some artists well known from the scene, but then u should know why they'r good. Most of them have engeneering courses or very good friends engeneers but even that isn«t enough for a gr8 mastering.
But mainly if u like it its ok. My opinion is not important
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Fingax
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 01:04
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i would love to hear whts the opinion of a sound engeneer about this issiu in the trance scene here in the forum..
is there any one intrested? |
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 01:37
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Yeah after listening for ages it is kind of easier to tell god mastering from bad, I think my fav right now i ark Petrick aka Xenomorph.. also CPU has done some good work, I think on the Fear Psycosis compilation. that is a good compilation bcause all the tracks but one were done by CPU (I think) and the one that ws not done by CPU sounds really bad (IMHO)... I hate the masteringon TIP World, it always seems really loud compared to other cd's, and I think Zenon records has had same great work. The ultimat eis done by Tim Schuldt's studio and of course Son Kite, they are championsof perfection  |
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Bunker Jack
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 02:46
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the volume is becoming a big serious
problem in the music industry. . .in general not only in trance world.
And you see lot of good works (mixes) of some artists loosing some of their quality, only because someone make a bad mastering!!!
I think that some ppl think that Mastering is only give volume and punch to the music. . .power power power. . .volume volume volume. . .
but its not. . never. . .the major objective in the art of making mastering is make the musics sound well in most sound reproducers in the world.
Sound Reproducers=Studio near-field monitors, Hi-Fi monitors, computer monitors,PAs. . .etc etc. . .all possible sound reproducers that exist in this world.
This is the major objective in the art of mastering, then you have some things that could be done in mastering process, and it depends of the mix that the artist have done before. . .imagine that a artist make the composition and the mix of the song, and then he gives the track to someone to be mastered.
The work that the mastering engineer are going to do depends on the quality of the mix that the artist have make before. . .its a circle. . .and yes lot of artists make their own mastering. . .
About the topic. . .man you have engineers for all the
processes in music industry. . .record engineers, mix engineers, mastering engineers,etc,etc. . .but in industries like trance=no money compared to other music styles), the artists starting trying
to do all possible work in their own
studios to save money.
And this thing is good in some aspects, cause this ppl start to grow up in other diferent areas in sound industry.
Iam not going to write more, cause this is a topic to talk talk and talk. . .there are lot of diferent situations. . .its like. . .each case is a case and if you really want to know something you have to listen listen and listen. . .ahh another thing of Mastering. . .for me is impossible a person do a great mastering without musical culture...a good mastering engineer need to have good musical culture. . .and another thing, for me the best mastering engineers in this planet are 40 or more years, cause they really have educated hears.
boombolé for you ppl. . . . |
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 02:53
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If you know how to produce and mix your music properly your music do not need much mastering!
And for those who did not get it please notice that I am speaking in technical terms! It's got nothing to do with the arrangement or style! |
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Bunker Jack
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 02:55
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very very Correct!!!! |
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Bunker Jack
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 02:59
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And i think this topic should be open for discution in Equipment and Music Creation. |
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buzzee
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Posted : Feb 18, 2005 21:09
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Yes As Kiko said "Can some engineers pour some light on this... |
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