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"sorry we cant pay you...we lost money"
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T_master
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jul 24, 2004 06:11
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On 2004-07-17 19:18, Surrender wrote:
i disagree Guy regarding the diffrence between domestic and dj's from abroad.
if u work - you get paid, no ifs, ends or buts.
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I agree with you guy ! |
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Fuzulu
Fuzulu
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Posted : Jul 24, 2004 15:03
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it doesnt happen only wit domestic djs ... ive seen it happen to 2 really famous djs recently ... djs shud take their payment in advance |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Jul 25, 2004 22:05
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i can see a trend towards price dumping policy in psytrance parties. young djs allways stand in a row and want to mix for free, so it is not surprising that the organizers are in a good position...
on the other hand we are a very underground scene, even the more commercial and more mainstream orientated genres...
i´d say that we artists should be thankfull for playing
(there i totally agree on what you said, llazi) in such amazing events and support their local organizers. i personally have been studying for years now in order to be independant from "misicmoney" and i think thats what evefrybody should do in our scene to keep it underground. cause as soon as people need the money to make a living they start becoming dependant, play cheaper music for the masses, stop to experiment, become egoed out etc.
organizers have a much more difficult job and thus should be able to pay their fees and make a living from it.
in short:
-artists do it for fun and earn money in a regular daytime job or something (or just a little pocket money)
-organizers make a (moderate) living out of organizing good underground parties and work all the time for it... |
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Noise Poison Records
Noise Poison Records
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Posted : Jul 26, 2004 10:48
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ok...just a few words....I have the luck to be with a label, and I want to promote it. Further I buy my music, wich ruins me every month again ! I think I have the right to say I want something for playing, cause I don't download my music I am playing. I recieve promo music from artists I can promote also...So if I should play for nothing I would use another name and will not mention my label just to obviate ..... payment in advance is the only possibility !
Cheers
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GuyShanti
Aerospace
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Posted : Jul 26, 2004 11:34
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To tell you the truth - I think this whole party orgenising buisiness could use abit more understanding both ways (artists/oegeniser).
as a former orgeniser i know what a risk it is to make a party and what a headache it is to make it work successfully. I also know what slim profit margins the party orgenising biz is operating under. the mathematics are not difficulat...
we as artists and dj need ppl to make parties in order to have work. as i said - i rather take less money if the party goes wrong and see the orgeniser do more events rather then see the man bankrupt and out of the orgenising biz. I think that in the long run it is more bennefficiary for us artists.
G
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geisha
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Posted : Jul 26, 2004 12:25
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"sorry we can't pay you.. we lost money" THIS is SOOOO sad, but not true (in my opinion), trying to get to the "bottom" or "top" (which ever one you are looking at) of the source, questions like.."where did you loose it?" kinda sort this one out.. or should i say.."catch them out"!! there are a few really fucked bandits out there to ruin "the fun" for everyone, including the sweet little "small time" djs, un"label"fied to that would be "me"!!
!t's really unfortunet, uncool, unco-ordinated and damn fucking fucked that shit like this happens to thriving, and i mean living as in thriving artists and music lovers ... VERY DISSAPOINTING (when it happens under your very nose) and can't do anything about it, just smell it!! I think "small time" djs should really fucking do something about these bandits, (the bad ones) "even if its for a few dollars" it's what i call unjustifiably "WRONG!"
my deepest sympathetic sympathy for "these ones" who will bite dust, and a lot of it, for justice and karma will b served on a silver platter next 2 some beautifully cut gems!!
for those who are a major pay out, and are fucking with my favorightgeous artists, you are about to be PAYED OUT ON, or should i say already have been, by a "small timer" !!
like said.. "stay home and eat pizza" (in addition) you aint good for nothing (else)!!
p.s- pretty.. faces.. can.. get.. fucked..
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nobody4
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Posted : Jul 26, 2004 12:54
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One of the worst symptoms of amatourish scene is the payment issue for artists:
Any show organizer in any other scene will be sued by the artists if they didn't get paid - I want to see somebody not paying Zehava Ben (and Israeli singer) for a show...
Aside from that, I don't believe any organizer will come out of his own party in one piece if he tells the same story to the security he hires - they will simply break his legs if he won't pay (and they usualy stand next to the cashier, so they know if he broke even or not...). Neither does organizers skip payments for bar services or PAs - all these service providers usualy gets paid before a DJ (although in my opinion a DJ is a bit more important for the party than the bar, for instance).
I understand promoters who come and explain that they didn't break even, and I will usualy decrese my fee to help them - but it's the DJ's (service provider) call, not the organizer's. If the DJ is willing to lend a hand, (IMO) its the right thing to do, but if not he/she should be paid as agreed, just like any service-providing agreement in the normal world.
One reason for this is the existance of so many amatour DJs who are willing to play for nothing, and organizers tend to forget that some DJs are doing this for work, and its not just about the 'pleasure of playing in a trance party' theme that is common for these young DJs.
Creating the awareness that a DJ is a main factor in a party is the responsibility of everybody who is trying to professionalize the scene. I don't know how much chances there is for that, but it won't come from ACUM or EMI, that's for sure.
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kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
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Posted : Jul 26, 2004 13:03
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tal so right in each word he wrote
it is the d.j call for sure.
why the d.j need to not get paid?i belive that the organize need to pay the d.j/artist as it been closed before he even got there.in this way no way to go back 
from what happend to me in the past--i learnd not to work with organize that work in that way ,and there is no way that somebody will decide not to pay...it is depend in me for sure...
cheers to all
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GuyShanti
Aerospace
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Posted : Jul 26, 2004 13:23
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kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
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Posted : Jul 26, 2004 15:08
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you right guy,but still i am not the organization.if they will make more moeny do you think they will arrange me double fee than we agreed?i don't think so..same in other side
we come to play/give a show.that is our side--the other side is that we need to get what we agree before than we need to accept.as pro. i think this is the only way
cheers
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