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IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 18:24
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On 2003-09-16 11:52, subconsciousmind wrote:

One thing I have to agree with ist that "the good old days" are onle good because it was something new for everybody then.



I disagree with you on that one...

those good old days are still good old days and they are not new to me.

but I prefer to call them: the good old days that ended too soon...

I don't need to look in other directions like breakbeat or techno - they are not exciting as trance once was.

btw, psytrance can still have 1000 innovations.... just waiting to be realized.
peace.
          Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Mike A
Subra

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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 19:07
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the thing is not the constant change... you can be crazy if it will be... the point is to see the change.
some one told me once "if you will look for the big moments in your life you'll miss all the small ones"... pretty nice isnt it?



The point is to see the change - and then realize than you didn't value what was before the change like you should. And only then you remember to cherish it as the good old day. You never know a good thing until it's gone.
full_on
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 20:39
Hi Mike A.
In your first two posts, it seemed to me that you're getting old...
But give a chance to the new! There's so much good new stuff (ok, maybe they're not as good for your taste, but you must be open to accept new things ). It seems you're wanting to change, so I am, but just wanting to change won't change you. We need to work. We need to choose the direction of the change. We need to give that first puff, I mean, first step ...

Seek the hidden words, as time unfolds you'll find the answers... Feel the mystery, look to the sea, under skies of hope...
What have we done? Can we right all the wrongs, the evils and fears, for thousands of years, that forever drain our vitality? Can this go on without dyer consequence?
Our tragic ways, the end of days that shadow the dawn of eternity...
Choose the way, the path is there for you to find... Turn the page... But the question lies between the lines:
Can we change?

Wow, it seems I went too far...
Respect!
          .
...Be gentle with the earth...
...Dance like nobody's watching...
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...I don't mind not going to Heaven, as long as they've got Coffee in Hell...
Mike A
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 20:52
Actually my new is discovering the old
solipt1c
Soliptic
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Posted : Sep 17, 2003 02:40
well just to throw in my thoughts

first, i'm actually quite new to psytrance.... first heard it 2/3 years ago. however, i discovered it more or less "in order", hearing early goa classics first, and only recently catching up to 2003 (still a whole lot of catching up to do). i dont know if not being around since day 1 makes my opinion invalid or whatever but anyway...

one thing has struck me lately, listening to a lot of psy stuff from many different artists and comparing it with what i produce. you see my personal weakness making psy is the crazy noises that arent a tune, not even a note, but just unpitched freaky noise. u know.

well, there's a lot of noises that you hear a LOT in tracks by so many different artists. trying to describe these noises in a forum is a waste of time, but i'm sure u can all imagine some of the ones i mean. really typical sounds that seem to appear in every tune.

now, this is weird to me. to me, the justification for having weird noises in psytrance is that psy is about exploring all sorts of worlds and departing from the conventionally musical is part of that, trying to turn odd sounds into the music ...

so these type of sounds should inherently be about finding *new* sounds in a way... so it seems weird... that when some artists discover particularly nice noises that really 'work', the scene gets sucked into copying and repeating those noises. i mean that happens in every scene obviously, but it seems especially odd that it happens there.... more odd that the same bass noise or synth line being repeated...

if u see what i mean, which i doubt u will. that wasnt too clear. ah well           http://www.dartrecordings.co.uk/
Chi
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Posted : Sep 17, 2003 16:22
I see you suffer from the same problem i do, Mike A.
I get tired of routine very easily. I HATE routine.

The problem with psytrance, at least for me and trancers i know, is that it is a genre which sucks you in and doesn't let you out. Psytrance for me is that kind of music i can't hear while studying or doing something which requires similar concentration, because when i'm listening to psytrance i get "entranced" with the music and tend to ignore what's around me (people, etc).

Anyway, my point is that this music creates an addiction which is much greater than any other genres i've been addicted to (house, techno, pop). But with time you'll learn all the tricks and the music just doesn't fool you anymore (don't you love when you're expecting a breakdown and the artists fools you?).

The cure for this is not simple, but i will leave you some suggestions...

Stop going to parties for a few months, listen to psytrance less or don't listen every single day... maybe then the magic will be back (it worked for me!).

Another suggestion is dwelling in different genres. You said you like emotional music, in both club trance and psytrance. Allow me to suggest one DJ i enjoy as much as listening to Hallucinogen: the genious Erick Morillo.
His type of music is that funky house with lots of vocals, also a type of house with sucks you in, very emotional and exceptionally melodic, perfect for dancing with feminine companion...

Give a try, you don't lose nothing. Search in soulseek/kazaa/etc for
Erick morillo - live @ mobile home
erick morillo - live @ cathedral sundays
erick morillo - live @ leeds love parade (this one is of very bad quality, you have to listen on a mp3 player or winamp)

hope you enjoy
alx


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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 01:37
well, im glad to say a few things about yr thoughts Mike.
first,the 90% of the people who listen to trance music,go to parties,write in this forum,know only psychedelic music ans havent searched some other music scenes and movements.we have the chance to have underground music from 40 years before after the lsd revolution in 60s, when thje first psychedelic music began,hippies,after in the end of 70s and 80s punk,new wave,dark wave,and first electronica of 80s with kraftwerk and others.
if i mention classical music too we have about 3 centuries of recorded music, and if we go on ethnic music, we ll find the whole history of many people.
unfortunately,we are stuck in one kind of music and believe that our needs can be satisfied by a beat,or maybe some chill out...
did you know that the first electronic tracks were written and recorded by Edgar Varese in 1957,''les poemes electronique'' the real prophet electronic hymn, made in computers that couldnt fit in a big room?
now ,about the new evolution in psychedelic trance music, is ofcourse labels like digital structures,iboga records,boshke beat rcords and others ofcourse...minimal deep techno and progressive is our new guide...
we grew up with goa trance,but now we must walk in front...
x-dream,delta,midi miliz,spirallianz,phony orphants and other bands are the new spirit in parties.i know its more difficult for the audience to get in the spirit of this music, but when its been done and our heads work on these sounds and people dance on this music,we ll be much closer on our terminal purpose,which cant be other than get in the real ecstasy(not the drug) with dancing,and use our minds in the service of the great allien factory,that is set up here on earth, and we use our energyfor the power of Good and the final victory against evil who wants to rule the world.
its a war only...
war of peace and love and dancing
it s difficult i know people but the damage we ll make them will be much bigger...
shiva is with us....           its not a drug...its the holy spirit
''computer insane''
Jeff
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 09:39
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On 2003-09-17 02:40, solipt1c wrote:
well just to throw in my thoughts

to me, the justification for having weird noises in psytrance is that psy is about exploring all sorts of worlds and departing from the conventionally musical is part of that, trying to turn odd sounds into the music ...

so these type of sounds should inherently be about finding *new* sounds in a way... so it seems weird... that when some artists discover particularly nice noises that really 'work', the scene gets sucked into copying and repeating those noises. i mean that happens in every scene obviously, but it seems especially odd that it happens there.... more odd that the same bass noise or synth line being repeated...

if u see what i mean, which i doubt u will. that wasnt too clear. ah well




I understand you 100% solipt1c ! Lots of valid posts in this thread :
1. Back in 95-97, what I expected when discovering a new "Goa" CD was brand new sounds and "noises" as you put it. And I got them. I still remind being in the recordstore, pre-listening to Hallucinogen - Twisted or Pleiadians - IFO when they were released (these acts weren't so famous at the time of course), and couldn't believe what I heard !

Some say that the new breed of Psy today is as innovative as those were at the time, but I'm still not convinced. The innovation seems less radical, more subtle.

2. So, instead of diving in the good-old-days syndrome, maybe I should check some other genres. But as someone put it, Psy Trance is very addictive. Before 1995, I listened to lots of different electronic music, but when I discovered Psy, I found it so innovative that I quit listening to other genres which appeared to me tasteless in comparison.

Now, almost ten years later, those genres have probably evolved, but I feel a bit lost : where should I turn to find new and exciting sounds, as I did in 95 ?

J.
Kaz
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Posted : Sep 18, 2003 11:52
Well, the changes in psytrance are now much more subtle - while up to 2000-2001, there were revolutions on a basis of sound, since then there has been precious little territory to advance on - sure the extra 10% from 90% perfect to 100% is much harder to achieve than the first 90%, but it's still not nearly as much as 90%.

Full-on offers exploration into the power that psytrance has (but even there, we have basically reached a plateau). Progressive gives us a look into the thoughts behind psytrance (which has been full of advances up to 2002 but is now showing the signs of slowing down). Techtrance is new and still refreshing - but it's not for everyone just yet - it remains an oddball outside the mainstream, with still so much more to discover in the fields of combining very well structured groovework (after all it IS a child of techno, not just psytrance) and power.

If you want to look for places which are still fresh in ideas - the Australian and Finnish music is still under major development, but again, it's really far from the mainstream of the trance world. Techtrance offers rich soundscapes and is still in the process of finding itself, meaning there are a lot of advancements in that music. Of course, you can always listen to IDM and other types of music which are as capable of blowing your mind just as well as psytrance.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
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