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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 03:03
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Have you ever wondered what has drawn you into trance for the first time? I'm not talking about the  people, I'm talking about the people who are with this music since the beginning...
I started by listening to goa, and it all seemed so refreshing, dreamy, to me. I found myself listening to the same tunes over and over and over and over again just to discover a new layer of sound which give you a new perspective on the track (the ONLY album that did it for me in "modern" times was cosma-nonstop). It was the feeling of discovery, of exploring a new thing. Everything was so... enlightning to me.. And today everything is so generic, same... Even the old stuff sounds so... BAH! The same thing was with the UT game (urneal tournament) which I was very excited with at first, a new online experience - meeting new people and playing in online tournaments. After 2 years in that game it became so everyday and boring, so I eventually quit it. It wasn't like exploring new maps of the game, seeing the music that came with it.
What I'm trying to say here, is that we need constant change in our lives - doing something (including listening to music) which is the same all the time just makes us robots, not human and denies us from the amazing experience of discovery and exploration. Today, listening to trance music is like an every day job to me. I love it - yes, amazed by it - yes (exclude all the trash that comes out from 5000000 labels these days), but it lacks that feeling of "new".
I also listen to club trance (the more underground one, not the I LOVE YOU shit), and I try to listen to it maximum once per week, so I won't lose the feeling of "new" to it, since it would be a great loss - it has some really emotional moments.
I'm living in this house, Beer Sheva Israel for almost 13 years now. I want a change. I wanna move. I wanna move to europe- spain, germany, sweden. I don't want the same thing all the time. School was kind of ok for me, because you learnt new things, and you had the expectation of new knowledge. Work was much harder - I worked at a hospital for 2 months. The last 2 weeks were a nightmare, I just couldn't do the same thing for 8 hours per day. I wanted to run away..... Maybe I want to run away from music? But I love it...... How can I do it? I also love my country, city, etc.
Life is a constant struggle between perserving the existing and reaching new boundries.
So remember - being human is about freshness - there is a whole new and hidden world out there. Go out and look for it!
note- this was a process of brainstorming and expressions of my thought at 3 AM, while drinking this new cranberry juice they sell here, and not wanting to get to school to get my final diploma tomorrow. Have a good night. 
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 03:11
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Even more thoughts:
People always talk about the good old days. So that is exactly what the good old days are. The feeling of discovery. Maybe it sucked ass back then, but it was the experience of the new and the unexplored. Let's take the example of the hospital - The first day, getting to know the hospital and how to get from place to place was actually fun. Getting lost, asking people where is what. After one month, when you knew everything and could do 20 deliveries a day instead of 5, it became boring. Now I'm unemployed, sitting at home making music. That 20 delivery per day routine seems to me, from the present point of view, like a good old day.
So yesterday is always a good old day, and there is always a tomorrow. 
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ciotera
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 05:33
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you sound like you are at least 60 years old. what's up with all the nostalgia? are you sure "the good old days" are behind you and not ahead? it's like you are on your deathbed or something.. why would you dwell on the past when you don't know what magic is still in store for you?
and does it give you a sense of identity, a sense of achievement, to think of yourself as a "been-there-done-that-not-one-of-those-excitable-jumping-up-and-down-people"? or are you jealous of their naive excitement, unspoiled by years of your experience?
you are nostalgic not as much because the music has changed, but because you have changed. sure crap is being produced today by 5000000 labels, but crap was also produced in the "good old days". it's just that in retrospect only the good things come to mind, while all the crap has been forgotten as it should be. you sound like you'd like to think of yourself as a mature experienced connoisseur of trance, and obviously nostalgia comes with that role, and also the skepticism and the reluctance to surprised, hence no excitement because excitement is immature.. but you have no one to blame but your own perspective..
sorry if this sounded harsh. i mean no offence, it's just i'm really tired of hearing everyone complaining and lamenting the "good old days" like this is a forum for a retirement home. i don't like to remember how long ago I started to listen to this music, who cares really... it's not like there is a career track and i should be getting a psychedelic trance diploma or something.. so maybe that's why it's still fresh for me. |
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Drope
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 06:13
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Hey Mike,
I understand what u'r saying... I hv not thought u'r ok for nothing... This feeling is quite common... yes, we want change...
I'd say u should listen more carefully eskimo stuff... u'll say @$# but understand me, I think maybe we r not listening anymore as deep as we were or should.
The new sun project is a example to me, I bought it, didn't like it and was quite pissed... but them I got to listen to it more and more... And now I can say I like it! It's something fresh, cause nobody does it as sun project... they hv THEIR shit, and it's not what I expected from them... it's something... fresh.
Psy has grown my friend, there r various trends and styles and while the same old pp make the same old stuff, and some new pp make the same old stuff... there r also new pp making new sound and old pp making fresh stuff...
We only difer about the feeling of the forecoming... I'm quite optimistic about the future of trance, I think everybody will hv what they want, and I think it's cool.
Try and see if ur listening is close enough, and u will find the innovation within ur self.
Do not abandon psychedelic eletronic music Mike, u'd be a loss to all of us...
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Trip-
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 08:22
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sure we want a change:
I want the new sound of goa trance to be born allready.
 Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 08:44
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then go fuck progressive and maybe something nice will come out
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 11:52
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Hi guy, Hi mike.
Mike I really believe to understand you.
I also understand the others.
One thing I have to agree with ist that "the good old days" are onle good because it was something new for everybody then.
In my opinion nothing has changed since then. Mike says that even the old tunes are shit for him now.
YES! because there was always 95% heartless, copied mainstream shit in psytrance! But the first two generation had the chance to be new!
Unexperienced listeners just like everything because it's actual, new, but experienced listeners learn how to see through all those copied styles and pretended emotions.
It's completely the wrong place to talk about jealousy.
I have an MP3 player (all original CDs on it!!) every psycd that I have bought in the last 8 years.
1200 tracks!
I made a very "hi end" playlist out of them to listen on acid, together with tracks from other musical genres.
I wanted all tracks to be at least of the quality of "riders on the storm" "child of time" and more.
Please note! for me it had to be emotional touching music!
for me only 20 psy tracks out of 1200 reached that musical, emotional and psychedelic quality.. including for example "the shen" by infected..
My quality needs for "undieable" "never old" "not needing to be new to be good" music is that high that only three tracks from "classical mushroom" made it in the list!!
What I want to say mike. Maybe you don't need something new all the time, maybe you just have to find the right thing for you.
If you expectations of psy are like mine, as you sound in your post, then it"s not the "new" that make it for you, but a quality that you don't find in psy.
All that don't share those quality needs, and don't want us to complain:
Everybody has his needs, please respect that!
Most of my music for you to download at:
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 11:54
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I didn't want to post it in the same post.
It's a bit advertisment.
Mike, try my new album. It's not that much about sound technique and developing new styles.
But what I did, I went trough some of the actual styles from prog to morning space, and gave all tracks, so different in styles, that what actually should hold music together: emotions, personality.
A beat, a bassline makes people jump up and down.
Melodys, e-MOTIONS, make people MOVE.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 12:31
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ciotera - you missed my point. I'm not one of those veteran trances since 85 (I was born that year  ). I'm not crying about the good old days. I'm trying to figure out what are the good old days - and what makes the good old days. As you may have read, I also said that past music can also suck, but we'll always love it since it's "good old days".
The people of today will see all of this music of today in 5 years as old and beautiful, but they still can't because they're still in the stage of exploration. It still sounds good to them.
Drope - You misunderstood me. I didn't say I'm looking for new good music. I was just writing a process of though on my mind.
subconsciousmind - I'm planning a trip to the mall soon, I doubt that your CD will be there but we can see.
Trip - go and make it instead of whining
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 13:38
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medir
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 13:40
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...the most points which i liked to mention were already...just another point of view:
if u look at a picture, if it s new...sooo many can be explored...with time it gets normal to u...theres nothing more what can stimule your cells like it was someday...but maybe in some years, when your minds have changed, u gona see new things...
isn t it the same in music ?
bomski all...
raphi: chk your inbox
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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a3k
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 16:20
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thix ix the way i see thingx:
a soccer player spendx most of his life doing what he like´s more, playing soccer, 4 what?let´s say 15 years?
and after that he still like´s football, maybe become a coach or referee etc...and in all his "percurso" there were things that he didn´t like, but what the hell, soccer is life...without it maybe he wouldn´t be so happy...
with trance things are kind thix way...maybe we see things that we don´t like, things that bored us...
all the people who like trance not always have acting the way they do now.4 i.e: my posture nowadays doesn´t have nothing to do how i understood trance perhaps a year ago, but i changed my attitude after i started to study what thix was all about...
see my friendx, some of us are bored and dislike the way thix thing is following to, but we are like the football player who see in it his life.some of our friends who liked trance are not here anymore, more friends will come...it´x a vicious cycle, a fashion thing, but who really love thix will stay and the only thing we can do is to change our world, and make the others see that things can change 4 a better thing...if u change your world maybe it can "infect" the others on a positive way...
man we must have fun...isn´t all about thix?
have fun, friends, drugs, music, etc...
know that music of gms, the gladiator:"we will meet them again, but not yet..."trance is passing through a certain of growing, and growing not always is easy...if it wasn´t 4 us, now imagine 4 our child, that is being raised 4 thousands of people...
plur to us...
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The Elder Sign
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 16:32
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Hey Mike,
Can you name some of the underground club trance you are listening? I'm interested...
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Kaz
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 17:03
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A famous Israeli writer once wrote a short story, about an old guy, talking about how you could buy with 1/100 the price really awesome things and stuff, and when they finally asked him what his salary was back then, he told them that it was 1/200 of the salary they get. Then they asked him, so why was everything so wonderful then... and he answered 'because we were young then, we were young'.
You can do the same thing for years, but it becomes routine, and a routine isn't nearly as exciting as something new. The first years of psytrance (up to 1997) were filled with constant change at all times, with revolutions in sound, structure, melodies and production happening every few months. When it started becoming generic, it died off quickly in favor of full-on, since people couldn't accept a slowing in change. And for a while, it was good. But that got boring even faster, as the changes in full-on were much slower in occurence (revolutions once a year or so... poor us), and progressive started popping up everywhere, but now, even progressive is slowing it's development (which was slower than the development of full-on which was the earlier frontier of advancement in psytrance).
For people listening to psytrance for just a few years (3 or less), it's still as exciting and revolutionary as it was for us when we started listening back then, because despite everything, there's a big variety of music being released today, and it really takes a while before people can just say "well, this isn't anything I haven't heard before" about most of the music they've heard.
The really best way to check how psytrance is doing, is just checking out how many albums a year you can call classics - for me 2002 was better than 2001, which was on par with 2000. The most exciting years for me were 1995-1997, the first three years that I was a true psytrance addict (up to then, I was into rave/breakbeat/techno and some metal as well as psytrance). After that the excitement was elongated somewhat by me being in the army (and barely seeing home, at which time I also started getting into IDM), and then me travelling around the world, and then coming back home to first give proper listening to Son Kite and the progressive era - but then I started getting into the work routine, started listening to psytrance all the time, then studying in uni (still listening to psytrance all the time)... and before I noticed it, most of the magic faded. I listen to psytrance today and think "well, nothing I haven't heard before" all too often, and another decent track isn't enough anymore.
But hey, I just listen to psytrance less, to a lot of IDM and breakbeat (some microhouse too), and voila, I can still have a wide selection of varried and interesting music. And when I don't bother with most psytrance releases, the ones that I like are more appealing, because while revolutions don't really happen anymore, there's always change, and there's nothing like change catching up with you.
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nova
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Posted : Sep 16, 2003 17:15
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Mike A....
first... i think that you are being afected by that juice and the small hoers of the night...
im sure that after you woke up in the morning you found out that the day is not so bad as you thought it will be after a night like this.
now... maybe im wrong but i think you are limiting your self too much...
i mean that you got to a level when you "afraid" of hearing something cause you might get bored so you are choosing to limit yourself and hear it "once a week"...
testing every new CD real cearfully cause you are use to be disapointed and have "high standarts"...
and i think that its not just about music... its about alot of things... (you can say the same thing about your girlfriend)...
i see it very simple.... so i might get bored of something... so fu**ing what? maybe tomorrow i feel like listening to it again... maybe tomorrow ill eat a pizza wich i ate so many times in my life.... i want to see New-York, India, Brazil, Amsterdam, Australia.... i know ill see those places one day but i still see something new every day near my house... good old days are still in my head... isnt it wonderfull to have some good old memories?
tomorrow ill add another good old memory to my privat collection....
i can go on and on and on with those exsamples but i think i cleard my point...
the thing is not the constant change... you can be crazy if it will be... the point is to see the change.
some one told me once "if you will look for the big moments in your life you'll miss all the small ones"... pretty nice isnt it?
my advaice for you is to change things that you are not happy with them... but first,
change your adittude...
(it will change by itself if you like it or not... you are still young and have alote to discover)
so chill out alittle bit aight?
its only a matter of time
cheers.
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