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some facts on shaman films records / guillermo (vj egnogra)
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Oct 24, 2007 20:14
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most pop music u can BUY 
no need to actualy make it all u need is good money and u buy the next hits from "the neptuns".
trust me , when it come to music production , mr. loop know better then britney spears how to operate qubase and synths.
she knows how to look like slut better , she can sing also , and make more promiton , that what makes is pop(ular)
0% got to do with self production of the star itself , in today's mtv world its all about the apearence what it got to do with music , or psytrance world anyway? (exept dali lol)
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Shaman Films Records
Shaman Films Records
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Posted : Oct 24, 2007 20:30
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Please take all private comments off the forum..
To some of us Trance music is our life and is no way compared to the commercial capitalist world, is a small group of people that dance in the woods, thats why we are here for, like tsabi said we are all in this together, crowd, labels and artists, distributors..
The work of the artists is highly appreciated thats why it was released and also download thousands of times because people love our music and what we are doing, now all we are asking the crowd and the scene is for a bigger support to keep the flow of the river going and make our scene grow not destroy..
Tsabi and must of scene artists work is highly and killer appreciated same as all the crazy hours that takes to make label and release musik and make music video and graphic design, is all of us work!!
non of us are here for the money we are here because of our love and passion for our musik, nobody is offending anybody we just dont know what the other person goes trough to make it happen. like elad say crazy hours in studio and equipment to make music as same as label crazy hours and tons of money of investement we all want our work to be appreciated thats why we need the support from the crowd..
single music download system doesnt work even if people buy 2 tracks label would get pay less than a euro for each track it comes again to not even covering printing costs, and we dont have thousands of thousands of itunes downloads like commercial music..
Egnogra
Shaman Films Media
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SHICHT
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Posted : Oct 24, 2007 20:44
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On 2007-10-24 16:20, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2007-10-24 15:11, SHICHT wrote:
i admit .. i also dl , like everyone.
i wont buy a cd for 1 trk i like .. and thats the case on alot of the new Va's . |
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If you like to buy your music, why don't you go to download shops where you can buy the individual tracks you like, rather than dl them for free?
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good point.
infect i also bought 5 trx (wav quality) on 6263metaforce . (drury nevil roxx  )
but yes , u r right .
i should do it more often ...
and as shaman films wrote
"To some of us Trance music is our life and is no way compared to the commercial capitalist world, is a small group of people that dance in the woods, thats why we are here for, like tsabi said we are all in this together, crowd, labels and artists, distributors.. "
i cannot agrre more on this one.
this is a way of life to some of us .
i BREATH this music every day when i wake up.
this topic is importent .
on forgotten ritual when i atended this festival were 2 CD stores !!
amazing !
this is a good idea !
and there are much bigger festival ... with alot more customers .
me and my friends buying original music , and thats what we can do for this community.
well .. thats it.
tsabi i hope u close this issue fast , no dout u deliverd ur massage !
so keep it high and keep makin music !
all the best of luck to all of u .
bom
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Shaman Films Records
Shaman Films Records
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Posted : Oct 24, 2007 21:11
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I think the best way we can reach a further audience is exactly have the material available to the people in the events, if we create an alliance of labels that work together closely with distributors we can work with the organizers of every event in the world to ship them a package that can include:
Music CDS / DVDS
Promotional CDs
Magazines (mushroom,tranceit, etc etc etc)
Arts and Culture material (food, war, spiritual health, etc etc)
If there is an alliance of labels/distributors/magazines/etc can work together to put all material in one package then we could ship to every organizer so everyone locally will have access to one material in one table, this will expand the distribution channel for all of us in this scene not just labels but to magazines and to ease the stress to distributors, which now days is very hard for eshops and local shops to buy cds from them because of the lack of sales..
Also i propose an alliance of labels to work together like a union directly with the distributors
wirikuta/ beatspace / saikosounds / psyshop / arabasque etc to keep a control of releases that way each month there is not 10 releases for people to pick that will fuck everyones sales and will actually give more help to the scene if there is a way we can control this market, unfortunately every label lives in their own bubble, but thats why we need the help directly from the distributors to stop this non sense and keep a schedule of releases and create a more reliable system, they know is not working so why not do something about it..
Are we going to sit here and just complain about how fucked up the system is or are we doing to do something all of us together to save our passion.
Egnogra
Shaman Films Media
www.kalmekak.com
www.shamanfilms.net
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SHICHT
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 14:47
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well , thats a nice idea , but i dont know if its practical ..
lables are different and got different ideas and concepts
like shaman records is different from parvati and deja vu for excempel ...
i think the distributors should really think good about it.
like there are clothes boots and food boots there will be cd boots , in every big event and even in smaller one.
distributors will make money out of it , so does labales artist and us the crowed will enjoy the excellent music 
so i dont know about uniting lables , but yes , lables should push distributors to sell in platform that are not virtual.
every year there are ALOT of trance festival all over europe and the world.
distributors need to take the first step , and take advantage of that mass of ppl coming to festival.
if a person pays hundred of euro's and even more , when ppl buyin flight tickets ... they CAN AND SHOULD buy their favorite music in those events.
so u got my point ....
ok so sorry for my bit bad english
bom !
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Datakult
Datakult
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 15:41
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Hi Enogra/Shaman Films
please send me a copy of V/A
Ah Puch - Lord of the Ninth Demensions
shamfcd002
Released: Aug / 2006
you said it would help my promotion
maybe i can promote better if i got the original cd/dvd whatever.
i dont want to buy it , as i gave you a track for free for it.
ps. send me msg i will give u my adress again
all the best
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 15:41
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agree
i like specialy when u sell hand to hand (or your friend across the world)
no need to pay distro , so u can charge 7-8 $ easy.
even less is still profit , and if 1$x5000 is better profit then 300X7$ (and it is , more then double) then maybe thats the way...
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and for fistermedister i see u only post negative stuff evrywhere so last time i say neither me or energy loop do this music for money , its for the passion in it.
but it still doesnt meen that this world if money-free and its ok we work hours on hours without getting paid just since we like it , what if your lawyer like being a lawyer ? then he dont charge for it?
as long labels want to realese and sell our music and peaple pay to come to our sets i think its only fair we get part of it too.
when i do free net realese with postunder.net they dont charge for it therefor im just happy to get the sounds out there. as well the realeses do sold there for money and aslo donate its all for the artist and to keep the site's server expenses. www.sattelbattle.com
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Kedux
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Posted : Oct 27, 2007 23:54
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Hey, this topic really is a good lesson on how things work around the scene here.
seems like things are working out, and way to go tsabeat with your attitude i know things will go good for you, keep living the dream
and about people just Ranting around here on Energyloop and Others,
first i can say he really ain't doing it for the money, the man is mad about what he does,
he is just so high after each set he does its more than enough for him, so i know the rants here about him are all Bull-crap,
And i urge the Moderators here who run this board to check this users cause i see its not the only place here where they float up pieces of shit to a discussion...
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Andrey
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Posted : Oct 28, 2007 00:17
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Everyone is smart, only me is an idiot...... Sad.......
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is this pure reality could we be led?
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Dacru Records
Dacru Records
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Posted : Oct 28, 2007 23:04
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low sales are a problem for labels, but that shouldn't be a reason not to do as was agreed with the artists!
and if you have problems to pay the artists, then talk to them, give open communication and try to work something out
but don't ignore them when they are trying to contact you, don't make false statements that you have sent the money while this isn't so
and you should know these things before you start working on a release, if you don't have the budget to back up your promises, then don't do it!
and it's always an option to tell an artist in advance that there won't be the budget for payment for the track, then the artist is at least free to make his decision if he wants his track on your va
but if you make a promise to the artist and don't do what you promised, that is just unfair
and then not even giving communication about it
I always thought that all of this was just plane old good sense
and if you can't keep to these simple guidelines, then maybe your label is the label too much out there
not aiming at anyone or any label in particular here, I don't have any problems with other labels, but I can relate
we've had many times the same problem with party organizers and if they don't communicate about it, there is sometimes unfortunately no other choice then to take it to a public forum and at least warn other people about it
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Oct 28, 2007 23:56
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On 2007-10-28 23:04, Dacru Records wrote:
low sales are a problem for labels, but that shouldn't be a reason not to do as was agreed with the artists!
and if you have problems to pay the artists, then talk to them, give open communication and try to work something out
but don't ignore them when they are trying to contact you, don't make false statements that you have sent the money while this isn't so
and you should know these things before you start working on a release, if you don't have the budget to back up your promises, then don't do it!
and it's always an option to tell an artist in advance that there won't be the budget for payment for the track, then the artist is at least free to make his decision if he wants his track on your va
but if you make a promise to the artist and don't do what you promised, that is just unfair
and then not even giving communication about it
I always thought that all of this was just plane old good sense
and if you can't keep to these simple guidelines, then maybe your label is the label too much out there
not aiming at anyone or any label in particular here, I don't have any problems with other labels, but I can relate
we've had many times the same problem with party organizers and if they don't communicate about it, there is sometimes unfortunately no other choice then to take it to a public forum and at least warn other people about it
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very nice words! 100% agreed 
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le barde
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 14:25
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i also second what Dacru Records wrote.
i gave out 2 tracks for almost nothing, its sad that you have to run after the guy to get your copies and whatever he owns you.
well, i just wont give anything for them anymore and don´t recommend them to other artists.
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Zman
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Posted : Nov 7, 2007 06:13
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shit scamming label...period
whether intentions were good or not nobody gives a fcuk... this scene is to keep this music alive, and if the artists who produce this music arent paid at the end of the day what is the point? you can come up with a million excuses...
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le barde
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 03:05
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i give a fuck ... i´m happy if people respect my work, as i act to respect theirs.
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Zman
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 05:01
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On 2007-11-11 03:05, le barde wrote:
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i give a fuck ... i´m happy if people respect my work, as i act to respect theirs.
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dude please read properly.... what i meant to say is nobody gives a fuck if the "labels" intentions are good or not, what matters in the end is if the artist gets paid or not..period...not whether the label had "intentions" to pay or not...im supporting the artists who didnt get paid, not the label |
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