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gill
Melorix
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 16:53
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On 2007-09-25 16:37, Crying Orc Project wrote:
i had the same story with psyber tribe.
no money, no cd, no nothing.
just promises and lies !!!
but the only diffrense is that i'm waiting for it a year and a half 
and still nothing, with the same old lame story of zma.
add another rip off label to the list:
Psybertribes Records - NIK
and let's hope that in the future labels will take artists more siriouslly,
like a smart guy told me amonth ago
Milosz: Artists Comes beafor the label and beafor everything !!!
and that's how it should be.
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Yeah!!
Fucking Nik!
I had the same history with the cd Frightmarez (Melorix - Can you hear me?), I suggest you all download the cd from the net so Nik won't get his money anymore. No cd, no money, not a shit!
Fucking prik,
Nik is a prik
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gill
Melorix
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 17:04
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On 2007-10-13 16:54, gill wrote:
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On 2007-10-12 20:53, wi']['ch wrote:
why don't you guys let it to professionals, got the contract? ...go to COURT!
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do you know how expensive those guys are?
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well it would be cheaper to share the price for the lower and court expences between all 10 artists (released on CD), but at the end it will be all returned with even some profit, for psychological damage (for exammple), cose from low side WE (artists) 100% right! (if we got the Contract!) 
And IMHO it's good thing to do, to show other "kids wana be lables", who da f**k is scene really!
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Basilisk
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Posted : Oct 14, 2007 05:04
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You can't squeeze water from a stone.
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Hagenith
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Posted : Oct 14, 2007 06:12
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when you sign a contract you should sign it at notary....off course from the both sides......with other contracts you cant do anything at the court
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Oct 14, 2007 11:24
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On 2007-10-14 05:04, Basilisk wrote:
You can't squeeze water from a stone.
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oOOO when the stone comes to prison, he sudenly turns to money bag...trust me 
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extazya
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Posted : Oct 14, 2007 14:07
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wow , dident excpect it to come from shaman films , about nik (psybertribe) i heared stories , what a bunch of lame ppl , if it were happening to me i would take it to court to inflict some sirius damage to those wankers!.
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 14, 2007 16:25
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as i said vili got his part for our track and guilermo says the rest is on the way as well cd's.
there was alot of missunderstand in the story
but i think the main messege understood
nothing i will love to do more then clear it up as soon the story is done.
its not my idea to make bad reputation for guilermo or someone specific , rather then explain why artists should insist on downpayment this days.
and maybe also to get it in the open that it got nothing to do with how much sold or not , thats the risk when open label , and there is the chanse to make it big time and sure no one gets bonus when that happen
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Andrey
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Posted : Oct 14, 2007 18:21
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New labels - old mistakes. Forgive them...
BTW Sometimes Vili acts like little girl when THE QUESTION OF THE DAY is money, but I still love this nice guy..... ')
Sea>Israel>Ben-Gurion>Tel-Aviv>Ramat-Goa>Marom Neve
is this pure reality could we be led?
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insane
Silent Horror
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Posted : Oct 14, 2007 19:35
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Egnogra reading ? or all Bouncers?
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NEMESIS - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2007
PATTERNS EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2009
SEANCE - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2011
PATTERNS II EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2013 |
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Shaman Films Records
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Hello,
Yes is definitely a very sensitive subject but it must be talked about it and expressed..
There was lots of miscommunication between us the whole time and ended up being a big mess i understand 100% the situation of tsabi and partner and i committed to reestablished the integrity and take judgment on my part in the miscommunication.
This days is extremely hard to keep an existing label, it is very easy and accessible to open one but is extremely hard to maintain one.
There has been lots of support and 100% of my own money and time and effort to keep the label going for the purpose of spread good music and keep the music alive, but the reality of the situation is no matter how much dedication you put into it you face the reality that must of the cds will not be sold and you will be faced with a giant debt, for that reason i am going to make all my statements public on this page check next week as i update:
http://www.shamanfilms.net/statements.html
in here you will be able to see the actual sales and profits made by the label which the must money made from the statements were 300 euros rest of the money was paid from my own pocket extra on top of financing the label in first place, our industry is faced with a big dilema nobody wants to buy any music and support the music that they love, people will go to a party or boom festival etc and paid hundreds of dls but they wont pay 10 dls to buy a cd and contribute to the music that djs across the world play and that makes the artists that play at your parties and at your home stereos known, all we have asked is for a 1% out of the thousands of trancers around the world to buy 1 cd per year but when you realize that not even 0.1% of the trancers support the music that actually is being put out to hear it is not being supported then it hits your local area and hurts the people presenting this material.
Now it appear the solution was to create even more new labels and thats what it is now, u look at each month and each month is 2 or 3 new labels putting out dark trance which hurts the other labels including the ones already established, there is more material than there are sales so it all comes down to everyone going to the flush, the creation of new labels in my opinion is a good and very supportive idea which brings more variety to our dancefloors across the world and not being stuck to 4 or 4 commercial or big labels releasing what they want for you all year.
Having 10 cds per year etc we also dont want that of course but the reality is that this scene cant afford new labels and cant afford actually keeping the ones alive except if you have tons of cash to spare away, i had label now for 3 years and 4 years of doing documentary work and animation and have worked with mustly all trance artists from around the world which must know me in person is sad to be in this position for which instead of creating a positive aspect it becomes a nergative and mal informed subject,
is completely understandable in situation of tsabi for which i also being screwed hundreds of times by many in the scene and i realized i dissatached myself from it even knowing that your art is very valuable and is definitely worth thousands if you want to say
it like that but how can we expect to help eachother if there is no initial support from the community including artists buying orignal cds and labels helping other labels,
again the ones to be blamed are the labels for creating a platform of a product without having a big saved and a cushion to sustain them, i mean all we have asked is the smallest contribution to pay off the cd which will be distributed to your download servers,
but again not even the contribution to have it available for download for free because in order to be available in a broad way the cd has to be actually printed and distributed to reach a maximum download distribution in sharing sites and download programs so even
if cd was available for free as many net labels have done it wont reach the vast mayority of our scene the way it works it has to be actually manufactured to reach the maximum of net distribution so!! in order to keep at least that system there has to be the smallest help possible which is pay for the minimum of the cd print and the artists that made it happen, many people specially people that dont have a clue of the system think that a label generates revenues and that artists will actually become famous the reality of the situation is that labels never make extra money (dark labels) whatever money is made comes directly to pay off the printing costs which comes to 1500 euros aproximately which is around 350 copies then is the charges of mastering 300 euros more plus artists that want 300 euros or etc each, for all shaman films labels cds we have sold
no more than 500 copies and the statements signed and returned from giuseppe at beatspace stating each montly statemen so everyone in the public will see the real numbers and see what its real and what is not, again i hope this help for new labels to think twice and to distributors to stop accepting new people, i mean we put all our trust in our distributors hoping to get our killer material out with a killer covers and always killer videos inside to have top of the line product but the system is rotting from top to bottom and in my own individual case i cant afford this lifestyle, until labels promotores, distributors artists and party goers really help the scene
for which the must important of all is the medium of distribution which is a LABEL without labels you have no music in your dance floor and that system has fall.
is very sad to say this words and brakes my heart to come to this terms, i received many support from many from all over the world and is sad to announce that shaman films will be closed, again i personally take full responsibility of my label and all artists and friends of mine that have worked together with me will be supported all the way as i have been doing for the 10 years i been in this scene so at my 25 years of age right now
i see the path moving i hope our music grows and matures and really find peace and tsabi and partner my apology is say in public for the delay of the payment keep making music your music is killer as all of us here..
is a long reply just came out naturally in the flow of seeing this messages i will make second post in this thread when things are more clear in the head and all future news will be posted on the shaman films site
Gracias!
Guillermo
Egnogra
Shaman Films Media
www.kalmekak.com
www.shamanfilms.net
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Coming soon!
SHAMFCD012 Apocalyptic Ritual Compiled by Dark Whisper
SHAMFCD013 Engrams The Trilogy ( double cd )
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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i have to say i agree with evry word and it is sad cause i know the original goal is good and from the hurt
btw thnx for the good words..
as well u all can see its a real attemt to help and im sorry if it seems like disrespect for this , it sure is not.
alot been said and not for the first time (i can remember detox said that year or 2 ago , "the pie" i think is the capitalist expression)
i hope there is another way to spread the music , i dought the dancefloors gonna run out of fresh tunes , as well i cant see the situation where the main artists who have proffesional music and attract crowd to parties dont get paid for their work.. it does take alot of time and money to build your studio learn to use evrything (2 years in school will get u only to medium level usualy since its group learn not to mention the cost of it , and 10000$ sudio is not even quarter from what gms use for their sound production..)
many says the gigs is the real money and it should be like that i wish it was then i wouldnt even charge for realeses , but personly i didnt had more then 4 gigs the hole summer.. and anyone can agree i take averege price like all artists around me on the same lineups and cd's if not half from that sometimes.. obviously in the party itself as well not always get paid fully as agreed.. u can imagine the usual formula there : police shut it down , not enough peaple , lineup delays etc.
maybe i live on diffrent planet i dont know but here is some down to earth facts: i had more then 5000 download of my old collection of Tsabeat tracks ( http://tsabeat.postunder.net ) in the last 2 months , sold my Sattel battle debut album about 400-500 copies as well banners on tranceguide mag and saikosound , also spreaded good on p2p , good reviews and evrything , many dj's report they play my tracks regulary on their sets , myspace is full of "cheers great sounds , love to see ya playin around"...
it seems some kinda energy waste concider i mess with the music and promote it about 8-12 hours a day.
offcourse what u do from the hurt is never waste and i know that and thats why i not going back to the times when its only hobby that i can spend on music 4-6 hours a week.
and i still believe my dreams even if the way is not easy.
well i will keep my patient ways , building slowly , altho its not as easy after many years.. back in 2004 when i got first realeses i was sure all my dreams are just around the corner ... and i will share with you my dreams its nothing fancy more then usual stories i hear from my friends who spread their vision of the trance tribe dance around the world. and yea , sometimes can even make extra buck , so they can enjoy the usual metirial pleasure in life of evry working man in the western society.
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d1m1tr1
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 11:25
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On 2007-10-14 11:24, wi']['ch wrote:
oOOO when the stone comes to prison, he sudenly turns to money bag...trust me
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ehehehheheheheh
nice one !!!
and YES i am still waiting Psybertribe also...
like Melorix...
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mouka
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ENERGYLOOP
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 18:21
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On 2007-10-14 18:21, Andrey wrote:
New labels - old mistakes. Forgive them...
BTW Sometimes Vili acts like little girl when THE QUESTION OF THE DAY is money, but I still love this nice guy..... ')
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you dont even know me , so dont love me and dont call me "a little girl".
as i priviusly stated before... "im in this crap NOT for the money... 300Euro's is no money"
if i wanted to make money out of music i woold make pop or rock music.
this money is just confinsation for useing/selling our track's.
and all i ever wanted is to get waht has bin promist by a contract.
making "noise" and "bad name" for a label seems to work this day's.
it is verry sad and shamefall the this ishus need to be resolvd over here.
make this "psy scean" look ill.
bom.
"fuck money..."
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