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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 7, 2003 17:56
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The only way to stop trading is to make something free. People steal anything that's worth something, for whatever reasons. They make excuses for it, but with all due respect, no one is going to die if he'll have to save up 4 hours of work's pay (worst case) in a month to get a CD. The fact is that people who "have no money" seem to be able to afford food, shelter, electricity, a computer and an internet connection. If those people "can't buy CDs", it's not because they can't, it's because THEY DON'T WANT TO.
You want to get more CDs? Three words for you.
GET A JOB.
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BOMBA
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Posted : Mar 7, 2003 20:15
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what is wrong with you people???
why dont you just say "lets give it a shot"
It is very easy to say "this wont work, or it is not a good idea, or stop with the nonsense."
from all the threads i have seen about downloading, not one time have i seen the artists them selves actually do something about it. what is so hard about givving something a chance?
to all the artists out there; i hope you will give it a try and see if it works. IF it doesnt work - at least you tried to do something about it. if it does work -MORE POWER TO YOU!!!
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P.S. for all those that say that downloading has a good side - I AGREE. but the fact is that right now it is not used in a good way. so untill the time that downloading will advance the artists (financially), we have to fight ilegal file sharing! or more labels go go go go go go................
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Kitnam
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Posted : Mar 7, 2003 20:21
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YES kaz
yes, yes, yes!!!
how could someone better explain the FACTS.
but i realy have no hope into our so called "unique" trancescene... its not better...
its not better than the others out there : FACT
BOMBA, ur idea is great. but its allways the same with it.. there are always just a few people which realy care about the music.
the truce is that the people which buy the music always buy the music for the traders too. its not the point that traders get it for free, its the point that the traders make the costs for a cd higher and higher. this is an economic simple rule. so u see, the devil is inside of the system. and the only ones which are able to stop the market-depression are ones which buy a cd. |
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bholenath
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Posted : Mar 7, 2003 20:29
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KAZ... think of it like this.... you live at home (probably not old enough to live alone yet).. your country sux as fas as cds r concerned...u dont have to pay for Food,Computer, etc....
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 7, 2003 20:38
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Get A Job still holds. If you live at home, you don't have to pay for anything, work 10 hours a week. That should be more than enough for spending money, and requires nearly no effort.
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 8, 2003 22:17
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On 2003-03-07 17:24, The Chaos Theory wrote:
what about ppl who have no money?
the only way they can get music is to download.
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Aham, aham... correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that in order to download music you need a computer, a good broadwidth connection- this cost a bit more than a CD, no?
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 8, 2003 22:19
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On 2003-03-07 14:21, Plan_B wrote:
Bull!
U ppl keep playing mind police!
just drop it. and as a matter of fact, u should block these threads.
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So who's playing mind police, Plan B?
A bit of a contradiction there between your two first lines, no?
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 8, 2003 22:21
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On 2003-03-07 14:15, Jason (LyTe) wrote:
Ok, but how do you educate someone who does not want to be educated? |
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You try harder and use patience. And sometimes you fail.
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Mar 8, 2003 22:46
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sadly shahar, in this case, the failure is larger than the success.
"We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 9, 2003 00:40
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So lets try harder.
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Zombi
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Posted : Mar 9, 2003 10:41
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from what i see around me (dont global it, i dont speak about everybody) ppl who dont buy cds even cant imagine themself buy one, mean they make this biiig eyes when u offer them some cd to buy. mostly this ppl dont realy care about quality of sound, or even dont know what is it about, so they hardly can hear the difference between mp3 and orignal, poor ppl 
ye, its expensive, ye its hard to choose and sometimes u fail and buy cd u dont like, but hey, u have friends to change cd with them, u sometimes can bring cd back to shop and get another one, there is alot solutions to how make your shopping preperly and funfull.
anyway, i dont think its possible make more ppl buy trance music on cds, in fact AFAIK sales grow down from day to another. less distributers want to deal with this music, market pretty die, alot of cds dont have worldwide distribution coze it just dont find enough interest from distributers companies.
for example MCI prety stop deal with electronic music, BNE bring only "must have" and dont alot of great cds.
also some worldwide distributers have a name of "not pay" ppl, that make buesness harder thats it is, coze its hard to deal with them and non trance distributers dont want to hear about this music (in opposite to last two years when was a bit change in this trend and some big distributers like SONY started deal with psy trance).
and sure traders will stay traders, dl their fakes from internet and trade it with their friends to another poor fake, well, enjoy ppl if u are...
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Plan_B
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Posted : Mar 9, 2003 12:09
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please, don't look at this situation from this POV only, this genre got to alot wider audience due to MP3 traffic. and the fact is that most of the acts put their tracks for d/l because they know how bi gpromotion it is. ppl who will listen to these tracks and get excited WILL buy the album, and ppl who don't like music enough to buy CD's won't do so even if they won't have sharing Progz.
another thing, i agree with Kaz, but not entirely, i work here and there making about 1500 nis per month (below min. wage) and i still buy 4-5 CD's per month (unless i find more worthwhile stuff, then i buy more  ). It has nothing to do with "have no money/ hard to get CD's", Ebay and many many online record stores offer great prices and veraity.
another thing (the last one i hope), labels won't distribute trance because it's not mainstream, and the reason that big record companies tried to check this ground is because they do so about any genre (and belive me all genres are "no-sellers"),
when they found out this genre to be esoteric, they dropped it. the same happend with indie- most of the bands offer they music free because all the lables are small and poor, only one or two acts are signed in big lables because it has "tough crowd" (eg. sonic youth are signed with Geffen, it's huge but every month they are threatend to be kicked out, because they don't sell- and the only reason they are signed is because they had one sort-of-secscessful album 20 yrs. ago)
so, this genre will never get distributed by big companies unless it's more acceptable. I don't see it happening in the near Future. Do You????
"The Blues is'nt about making you feel better. It's about making others feel worse, and make a few bucks while you're at it." - "Bleeding gums" Murphey. |
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AGMIS
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Posted : Mar 10, 2003 03:21
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OK, i agree with what people are saying over here, but i just have two small questions:
1. why did the subject got diviated so much?
2. why is there still no responce from artists?
did you guys even read what BOMBA had to say?? all he is saying is give this idea a shot.
where are the atrists in this matter? why is their voice not heard?
at least somebody is trying to do something about it--
BOMBA--Keep on the positive thinking.
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 10, 2003 09:29
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On 2003-03-09 12:09, Plan_B wrote:
please, don't look at this situation from this POV only, this genre got to alot wider audience due to MP3 traffic. and the fact is that most of the acts put their tracks for d/l because they know how bi gpromotion it is. ppl who will listen to these tracks and get excited WILL buy the album, and ppl who don't like music enough to buy CD's won't do so even if they won't have sharing Progz.
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Man, if that was true, how come album sales have GONE DOWN in the last few years? The only artists I've known to give out their track freely are the ones from Finland - and even then, not all of the and not all of the tracks. I asked some of them why they do this - and their reply was "music is my free promotion, I make money from playing live"... You get this? The only ones who give their music for download are THE ONES WHO GAVE UP ON MAKING ANY REAL MONEY FROM CD SALES.
This may be good for Timo (Mandalavandalz, Texas Faggot, Flying Scorpions) who gives an amazing live act and makes totally non-commercial music, but it KILLED other acts that made trance as studio music.
People who download music are the reason artists like MFG don't work anymore. Major labels are going bankrupt in favor of small, highly specified ones. Why? Because when you get payed more for one hour at an office than for 5 in the studio, the studio isn't a place you work at anymore. When you can get amazing music and release it on CDs, spend 5-6 figure numbers on trying to get it to every corner of the world and paying the top artists in the world and sell 4000 copies, it just doesn't work.
You want totally awesome compilations? Buy them. You want acts to keep on doing their thing. Buy the CDs. It's that simple.
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