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SLAMMO.... what is it?
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Squee.Isme
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Posted : Sep 19, 2008 05:29
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wow, what an interesting time to ask that question, man...
my girlfriend and i that came up with this, we broke up about 4 days ago, so no, i don't have a girlfriend anymore but thanks for opening the wound, man  hehhee
she is a cool girl, and came up with a lot of the inspiration for the slammo party, and if she wasn't a part of it, it probably wouldn't have happened. she kept things organized, and being just the 2 of us throwing most of the party, we took on a lot.
i am moving back to portland in about a month, hopefully make music with kevin more full time!
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mk47
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Posted : Sep 19, 2008 07:18
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samples or STFU
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Squee.Isme
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Posted : Sep 19, 2008 07:21
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ya...
good timing on that too...
we have had issues with uploading to ftp, but it is working out, we will have long samples up early next week...
here is a nice little teaser for ya
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jkdphj
this is all of us together... i am not trying to delay, i live in the country and have a 150 meg upload limit, so have not been able to do this as fast as i would like. 
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Spycht
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Posted : Sep 19, 2008 07:52
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I'd like to hear the nitty gritty in regards to the setup. Particularly how the audio is being routed from all computers to a master channel. Is someone in charge of this master channel, making small EQ/level adjustments, adding efx?
Another question, who gets asked to play something better or to bum a cigarette? |
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Yidam
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Posted : Sep 19, 2008 12:18
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Well I think Slammo would be a better excuse to go Live than just the addition of a single instrument... and definitely more along the lines of the psytrance producers mind.
It's more of a necessity now to focus on performing rather than recording. Lets take a step out of this genre for example...
Take a look at the electronic duo 'Booka Shade'. Magicians at creating catchy tunes in the studio... creating the kind of electronica that people are humming hooks to. When it came to staying fresh they took their act to the stage, added one electronic drum kit while the other played on a couple of synths. Kick and bass were pre-programmed and they pretty much recreated their tunes on the spot... once you have your arps programmed how hard can it be? Booka Shade commands 20,000+ people now, screaming for every keystroke and drum hit.
Follow that trail into Psy... we have our drummer live bands ... Con-sequencer (?) Guitar bands ... SUN project, EvsY, Skazi. Even vocal now ... Dali (?).. pretty sure they're all doing pretty well.
This genre broke through into theat version of Live Electronica quite a while ago. Why Slammo sounds so cool is that it's like a step up... a way that Producers can jam in the true sense of the word. Doesn't necessary have to be each note played out ... even if loops from your track are mixed with anothers you'd be creating a live mix wouldn't you ?
See this getting bigger. The producer who has the wickedest kicks and breaks jamming with the producer who creates the phattest bass jamming with the producers who write the most complex leads.
So to address what Ocelot asked. This is not about ousting the studio... this is just taking your best creations from the studio and using it as your personal arsenal. It's perfect and just what this genre needed! I'm pretty sure that if this picks up you'd see it evolving along with midi technology and eventually becoming free-psy.
Does a psytrance musician need to know how to play the guitar ? IMHO no. Guitar Hero? maybe. Air Guitar? fuck yeah!
(Ironically, I do play some sick air guitar... available for bookings at your next Bat Mitzvah)
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Squee.Isme
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Posted : Sep 19, 2008 17:36
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On 2008-09-19 07:52, Spycht wrote:
I'd like to hear the nitty gritty in regards to the setup. Particularly how the audio is being routed from all computers to a master channel. Is someone in charge of this master channel, making small EQ/level adjustments, adding efx?
Another question, who gets asked to play something better or to bum a cigarette?
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pm me for gnitty gritties please.
i guess it should be known as well that a very important part of the SLAMMO concept was that all of the artists were extremely well taken care of. there was full food setup and drinks provided. we also had a little tupperware filled with all the necessaries to make some smoke for all of the artists for the whole night.
slammo is about music, so we took good care of the artists...
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deke
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Posted : Sep 19, 2008 21:07
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having multiple artists jamming made the whole dancefloor and artist separation kind of disappear.
much more fun when nobody has to pretend they know what's going on
this for damn sure wasn't your momma's psytrance party |
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Nicola Deva
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Posted : Sep 20, 2008 17:03
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Deke, It cracked me up when I walked up to you and Zoopy and you guys were playing the "whose kick and bass is it" game and we all looked at each other at the same time and said "DYLANS!" That reflects well something I noticed that was different than most psy events. When Id walk by the dancefloor throughout the event I noticed that people werent so much trancing out as they were enraptured and intrigued and watching and talking about what was happening up there. Im sure that a different event with larger attendance would breed more trancing out, but it was noteable how curious the attendees were.
By the way, I am the previously mentioned x girlfriend =/
With Squee at the helm for most of the night, I was extremely busy until 5 am. Through the whole party I dont think I was able to spend more than 25 minutes at a time (and those few big chunks came late) paying attention to what was actually happening on the "bridge." I am so thankful I recorded as I knew this would happen. The seed of the vision had been with me for a year and the drawback of throwing the event with only one other person who was performing all night was that I didnt really get to experience the arch of the music. What I did hear was sick, and knowing that it was live unrehearsed off the cuff creation made it more rich and exciting than hearing one performer or a team perform. NO ONE knew what was going to happen next. Exciting!
As far as a few non technical things that made it work well:
Yes, Squee is right on the food and supplies being an important part of it. I felt that we needed all of the artists to feel that they could be up there as much of the night as they were inspired to be with their needs taken care of. Unfortunately it was a windy night and we had to put up a tarp between the booth and the livingroom where the food was so a few of the artists never knew what was there for them till the morning =(
Another thing that is important that really helped the initial SLAMMO work is that we had a base of artists who knew each others work well and had worked with each other before. Secret Society and Freaks of Nature are very close and most have lived together and produced together. We put Manifest from Freaks and Squee from SS in the center of the booth since we assumed they would be driving the kick and bass a little more for those two teams and could be easily payed attention to by anyone else in the booth. Facehead and Dylan had worked with them before. With a core of 4 artists who knew each others music deeply and two who had worked with them before it was a solid base to work with. Having one artist who was jumping in without that previous working relationship wasnt an issue since there was a solid base. I know this isnt a gush thread but I do have to give you huge props, Arahat, for being that one artist jumping in without the history and tearing it up like it was a walk in the park! Im sure as tight a core isnt necessary for future SLAMMO's, but it is good to be aware of this dynamic and make sure you have an artists group that will gel on the fly.
It is imperritive for the artists to create an environment where there is no "ego" issue of anyone taking too big a spotlight. In a SLAMMO the spotlight is as wide as it takes to shine on all the artists performing. The artists need to come into a SLAMMO excited to be a part of the collective, and ours did beautifully.
A side note: if anyone actually is going to do one of these, the artists should contact Squee for some input on how our artists bounced their kicks and basses, and how they dealt with transitions/breakdowns.
The tech of HOW it was synched etc is not my strong suit, but these are my feelings on a few things that are imperritive to a successful SLAMMO!
If the SLAMMO idea catches on, you should ask Adrian to put up a separate SLAMMO section on NW-PSY as a resource for people putting them together, Greg =)
Whats's Next?
BOOM!
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Squee.Isme
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Posted : Sep 21, 2008 01:03
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Sep 21, 2008 01:28
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cheers guyz, cool project.
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Squee.Isme
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Posted : Sep 23, 2008 17:36
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 23, 2008 18:59
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interesting. was there a mixmaster or did people watch their own levels? |
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Squee.Isme
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Posted : Sep 23, 2008 19:41
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we did have a mix master that kept the levels good, as well as us doing our own check. the main system had a compressor limiter as well which kept things sounding really good to the crowd. Unfortunately, the problem with the recording is the recorder. For some reason, even though it is considered a relatively professional recorder, its levels are extremely hot, so it is hard to record a set without clipping. Also, the recorder was getting its signal pre-main-system, so it did not receive the limiter compressor.
the mix will be alittle hot, just so everyone knows. and it is a little messy, being the first slammo ever. but i have listened a couple times and have been pleasantly happy listening to it as the first ever slammo set.
on the recording, there will be parts that get staticky, this is when the recorder is clipping, and it did not sound this way to the crowd. Naturally, throughout the set, there is the periodically overly-loud sound, which is due to the artists themselves, but this is pretty rare. The overall mixdown is pretty good
i will try and upload the set tonight
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 24, 2008 07:30
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Actually funny enough, me, Arahat, and Bodhi attempted something similar a couple of years ago at the Gemini festival as "Brains"... Didn't go so well due to some ill preparation on my end, but we did do some cool rehersals and whatnot in prep for it, so in a sense Tom didn't come in completely cold, nor is the concept completely novel... the terminology and the event directly based around it is, but this idea has been tossed around for a bit, and it was honestly Dylan and Quasar doing their Fractal Cowboys live sets that really got the ball initially rolling (midi sync and trading off parts)... That also was to be the point of the Voux Deux concept, that at least once, all members of Voux Deux would play live together...
I'm really glad to see that the event went rather well, and would love to take part in the next one... I still have all the parts I made for the Brains set, plus all the parts I use for my live.
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Squee.Isme
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Posted : Sep 25, 2008 19:25
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ALRIGHT EVERYONE...
here is a link to a little more than an hour of the SLAMMO!!! night...
get it now, it will only be up for a few days
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0sq41b
remember that the recorder was a little whack!
enjoy the first ever SLAMMO!
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