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Signs of nationalism of festivals: flags.

supergroover
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Posted : Aug 13, 2012 22:53
I never attacked any of the flagholdingpeople. I let them live and they let me live
I just don't see the point in it except separation.. But I thank you for your different opinions. They gave me some more ideas about it and the reasons people might have for taking flags to a party.
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vector_0
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Posted : Aug 14, 2012 22:30
i see what you guys are saying...i think its different here in north america than it is in europe since there are so many people coming from different countries to parties in europe.

I personally would never wave my flag around, but its because I'm american and i don't want people thinking i'm an imperialist pig. Once at a psy party in florence italy i found the promoter and showed him my passport just because i didn't speak italian and i wanted him to know that i was a foreign trancer having a kick ass time at his party.

a couple times at festivals in quebec i'll see people with a mexican flag or costa rican flag hanging up at their campsite, and its cool for me to see because i think "holy shit these people came to canada all the way from central america...I should go say hello and practice my spanish"

I think if they were all in my face about it, i'd find that annoying but in my experiences its just been a "hey i came to this party from here."
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Upavas
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Posted : Aug 15, 2012 05:14
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On 2012-08-11 00:39, DETOX wrote:
The world was at war thousands of years ago when no flags,or national anthems or even boarders existed. It had to do with human greed not symbols.




back then they had other symbols, same thing. The abuse of any symbol that leads to war...           Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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Aluxe
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Posted : Aug 15, 2012 07:57
I find flags so annoying. The whole point of these trance parties is to create a space where we are a bit more free from the usual bullshit that divides us. Sure I love where I came from.. but am I so insecure that I need to advertise this to everyone? maybe at the olympics but at a psy festival please.. get out of your little box and open up

Like those youtube videos that show something amazing like a beautiful waterfall somewhere on the planet or a musician somewhere in the world playing a brilliant performance.. all is good and magical until you look at the comments section and see the usual idiots with their flag ego saying shit like "VIVA MEXICO!!!!!" "or whatever country pride they have. hey I am Mexican.. but that shit if anything is embarrasing because we are all sisters and brothers here, no need to feel any more special than anybody. It seems like the bigger picture that we are all connected and sharing this planet is what is more important.

bill hicks also had some words about this:







carlin as well:






monno
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Posted : Aug 15, 2012 09:55
Jeez! Let´s drop our leopard tights, way overpriced trance wear and lighter leashes and all take to wearing the same practical blue jumpsuits. See where i am getting at? A flag is a symbol like any other, nothing unique about it. It represents exactly what people want it to represent as evidenced in this discussion. I was kinda happy to see some kids bring a full size Danish flag to the dancefloor at Boom while i played. Maybe that´s because to me it represents my country as a whole, good and bad and we are a tiny country with an alien language, not many of us around. To us it becomes an identifier more for our own than a differentiator to others. The fact that we as humans grew up in different cultures has a big impact on the influences in this scene as well, and i dare say the cultural output would be severely diminished had we not had differences in our respective cultures (as for example represented by a flag in it´s simplest form) Anyway summer is still here! Enjoy the sun, make some music, have fun! But let´s drop the flag thing. Other things are more pressing!           Mastering available here:
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Upavas
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Posted : Aug 15, 2012 11:28
@Monno, it's obvious that you have not yet lived in the good ol' US of A           Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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Ellon
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Posted : Aug 15, 2012 16:13




          
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Aug 15, 2012 23:17
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On 2012-08-15 16:13, Ellon wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-PlQitfriE




hahahahahhahaha

Cunning use of flags
Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 16, 2012 19:59
I remember a time where there was no need to bring flags to the party.

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Yidam
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Posted : Aug 19, 2012 19:49
What about pirate flags ? Saw a bunch of them flying at the campsites this summer.
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Posted : Aug 20, 2012 10:13
i also do not like national flags on the dancefloors.......we are there for the music and to feel connected not to mark our own nationality....for what? Music is universal........flag is nationalist symbol and i do not see what we should use a national flag for!
We should unite and not devide......flags and borders were done for devide the people and control them better ! Flags are symbol of division. I am this and you are that........me no like
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OzMike
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Posted : Aug 20, 2012 12:31
I think it's important that you STFU about trance festivals being all inclusive then saying ppl who are nationalistic should not be included. You're just as screwed up in your ideals as them.           Cuntus Maximus.
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 20, 2012 15:52
I think it's important that you STFU about saying that posters here don't think nationalistic people shouldn't be included in festivals, when none of them have said that. You can feel as nationalistic as you like, the only thing that has been said is we'd prefer nationalistic people didn't shove it in our faces with their flags.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 20, 2012 20:16
So to speak! No offence meant.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Aug 20, 2012 22:36
It doesn't bother me a bit, and at a festival even less, it's all good           Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si
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