TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 10, 2012 12:25
word.
..i have a feeling you misunderstood my statment though.
I like flags from far away.. not from a drug perspective and sarcastic but from countries far away.
And I dislike nobody because of their individual sympathy for whatever. I also feel very good when people treat me not as a superindividual but as pretty normal rather. peace
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Posted : Aug 10, 2012 13:48
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On 2012-08-10 10:09, DETOX wrote:
People wave national flags for the same reason that people wave goa ohm flags or shirts, football team logos, etc etc etc. And that is because they LOVE their country,football team,religion or whatever.
Is there something wrong about that?
Loving your country doesnt mean that you dont love the other countries or that you feel superior from the others.
People's minds and stereotypes divide people and nations,not flags,national anthems or the feeling and belief that each one of us is a different and independent individual.
Not everybody on this planet is the same and this is a good thing which we should take advantage of and learn from each other.
finally some common sense here, wow! thanks DETOX! for all other people who posted in this thread, this is for you, enjoy:
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Posted : Aug 10, 2012 19:38
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On 2012-08-10 10:09, DETOX wrote:
People wave national flags for the same reason that people wave goa ohm flags or shirts, football team logos, etc etc etc. And that is because they LOVE their country,football team,religion or whatever.
Is there something wrong about that?
Loving your country doesnt mean that you dont love the other countries or that you feel superior from the others.
People's minds and stereotypes divide people and nations,not flags,national anthems or the feeling and belief that each one of us is a different and independent individual.
Not everybody on this planet is the same and this is a good thing which we should take advantage of and learn from each other.
Your points are valid but its not about hating are pissing on the country you are from. Its about ideals taking place and form.
Only action can turn knowledge into wisdom and so to realize and make ideals happen there must be a termination of the current status quo.
And there is one thing I believe you said wrong which is the fact that flags and national anthems etc. do not divide nations. To me those are instruments which initially are positive but end up being used as propaganda through brain washing and symbolism and history proves that such as the nazi swastika . But maybe we are taking this issue to serious with these arguments , and inevitably they lead to these depths of thought , its just a friken flag...party on
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Posted : Aug 10, 2012 20:09
sums it up
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Posted : Aug 10, 2012 21:19
Dear Book Face if a person can be brainwashed and become a fanatic through a propaganda using his flag, national anthem, religion or whatever other symbol then this person is an idiot and its not the flag's fault that people around the planet are idiots.
In my humble opinion people in our days must educate themselves both on an educational and social level starting with the language, history, traditions, laws, customs etc etc of their country and then moving forward to study other countries perspectives.
Then and only then a person can remain an INDIVIDUAL while knowing and respecting other countries ideas and beliefs and even ADOPTING the ways and behaviors of other people if he believes that they are better than those of his own country.
FOR EXAMPLE i am from Greece and we are not well known for our ecologic sensitivity so i wouldnt have a problem studying the ways of the Scandinavian people and separating our garbage into different categories (glass doesnt go with paper for example) for the sake of recycling. On the same basis i would neglect the bad ecologic habits of other countries like China for example where people throw anything everywhere. Is it bad for the Scandinavians to be different on this case for example?
We all are different and thats a FACT, so lets take advantage of it Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
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Posted : Aug 10, 2012 23:51
Remember Germany, lots of idiots there around 1936, did not take long for them to be hypnotized, same goes for USA nowadays... my grandma once told me (she was running from everybody in the second world war with my mum and uncle, even the Germans, because my granddad worked with the Pommies and she had helped some Jews in dire need and it became known...) I quote her: "whenever they start parading flags, that is when you need to start to be careful. Then war is closer than you think..."
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Posted : Aug 11, 2012 00:39
The world was at war thousands of years ago when no flags,or national anthems or even boarders existed. It had to do with human greed not symbols.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
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Posted : Aug 11, 2012 00:45
Greedy humans quickly raise a flag.
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Posted : Aug 11, 2012 17:05
Dear Detox
I dont think you understood what I was trying to tell you. And I still think you underestimate the power of symbolism and its influence on society and how it affects you daily. And dont forget that there was a whole nation behind and driven by it so those were a lot of "idiots" like you say that were brainwashed, a whole nation of idiots bent on ruling the world. But this is going to lead to off topic conversation which I wish we could have with out the computer between us which is what complicates things, at least for me.
Ultimately my belief is that it is beautiful to share the culture and knowledge between us at a festival but the dancefloor"s cosmical , spiritual essence should be respected because to me it exceeds our reality and exceeds in political and physical boundaries created by our physical world necessities. I mean I am not dancing I am practicing physical meditation and people with national flags truly look like ignorant idiots that really haven't got a clue. I am in another dimension and the flag of mexico just blew in my face, oh wow you are from mexico? really? wow !!!! thats so cool ! do I give shit?....NO not right now.
Thats just how I feel , the things dont mix you know? But I guess its all perspective , to each his own
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Posted : Aug 11, 2012 17:23
Bringing and parading something that differentiates you from others, in a place where all are as one, defeats the purpose... imo.
In any case, I don't think its such a big deal, people are people and yes there are people who are proud of their countries in festivals and feel the need to show that.
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Posted : Aug 11, 2012 18:17
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Draped over the shoulders it makes good shade cover from the heat of the midday sun
also if you drop it to the fire makes good heat for the cold night
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Posted : Aug 11, 2012 18:26
the only acceptable flag at a festival is a jamaican one `Bottomless wonders spring from simple rules, which are repeated without end` Mandelbrot
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Posted : Aug 13, 2012 12:20
Would like to agree with you Detox but there are too many things that could ideally be fixed by proper education. Unfortunately from the world I've experienced we're very far from all individuals being able to understand culture and religion without being brainwashed to some extent. Also it requires a certain privilege to be able to travel abroad and see things as an outsider of your country.
Back to flags though. Flags were used in wars, they have existed as long as armies have. National anthems came from the military mind as well. Not saying that this cannot be exorcised to be a healthy form of culture, but you cannot ignore where these things came from in the first place.
My opinion is there is not much difference between flag waving to gather people, and fashion (Nike logo on your shirt to designer bags or even a UV psy alien tshirt). It all eventually clubs people into social herds. So for now, live and let live because we're all affected in some small way or another.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2012 15:51
I'm sure people could accomodate meeting country peers with text wheras flags often is more associated with nationalism (e.g. sign saying hello from sweden)
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Posted : Aug 13, 2012 18:07
While I agree flags are nationalist simbols and are used to create identities and separate human beings, In a posmodern world people have redefined a lot of it's content and in many cases striped them of their beligerant meaning.
A normal citizen waving a flag at a party isn't the same a soldier doing it. It has different meaning for both.
I hope for one day the world has no more nations, but in the meanwhile giving the simbiols new meaning is some progress.
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