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Shiva Joerg - The Illuminati (video clip )
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 05:07
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Well...my apologies if I stepped on someone's toes here, it was not the intention but I think that the tone in ur post (Surrender) was not to positive at all, so maybe show the right example to make others follow ? The fact that you guys don't believe in what others does doesn't mean it's not happening in my opinion and the fact that politics turns into bad vibes (Full On) is a bit exagerated don't you think? We're having a discussion here and there's endless amounts of topics where the vibe gets tensed a bit once in a while but no disrespect meant. I'm entiteld to my opinion and I personally think that your tone (Full On) is a lot more friendly and showing respect than the one Surrender is shoving over the forum here. Besides I suggested that maybe you're not open-minded enough...it was a possibility I mentioned and not a conclusion. For the rest I personally know Joerg picked this subject for a reason and not all the other subjects you (Surrender) mentioned....does that mean that he's suddenly obliged to invest all his time in all other onslaught/mayhem and misery? I don't think so, it's a free world and just cause this ain't ticking ur clock don't mean it's all nonsense and that should be so judgemental. Maybe go talk to the guy (Joerg) and find out why he took this subject sometime, instead of being so incredibly judgemental and saying things that people with these kinda visions/opinions are delusional borderliners or at least close to it. I think that doesn't fit ur position here on Isratrance personally. For the rest no harm meant, we're just discussing things and sometimes the fire gets a bit hot but I ain't your enemy so let's not get to excited, smoke another  one and chill out amigo(s) !  And Full-On...also in other topics there's a lot of fights many times, it's not the subject but the people that make the fight and I personally think that censorship in politics is kinda weird for this reason, although I respect ur guidelines and didn't know that this is a policy here till recently...
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shivajoerg
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 14:52
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hey pll!
i want to say a view words to why i did this clip!
when i got my first psychedelic experience in goa ,it was one of the strongest experience i ever had . it was beautyfull ,one with nature ,with the music and the pll around me ...
in that moment i made a decision ,that i would spent my live of passing that experience to as much pll i can . a Vision of a World full of music ,art and love with no wars and distruction was born in my head.
i never been into politicks ,i thought we all would find a way without politics to live in harmony together ,with a little respect ,to others and other liveforms ! i still believe in Human instincts and in that ,that nobody really have to tell us whats right or wrong ,that our innermost senses are telling us this think s! You do bad ,it feels wrong ,you do good it feels good!.
still as anyone else does , i kept an eye on whats going on in the world,watching the new s, reading a paper and i allways wondered ,that what ever politician or party is in power ,nothing ever really changed and they seem so different when you listen to them .Still there is war - distruction lies !
just the last years i did research for my self ,since friends told me about illuminati ,freemason , skull and bones and secret organisations and their plans to control the planet .first i didnt believe it ,but than i studied the books ,of their heroes ,their teachers ! and what i saw was very shocking to me . there is this 33 degree Mason Albert Pike teaches his followers , how to control others and whats the best way in doing so ...
so he tells them , to create theses and antitheses , create the communists and create the nazis (only one example ) let them hate each other and make war ,out of the total destruction you can go a step further to a global goverment !
he even gave a plan about three worldwars ,to reach ther goal of global domination :
1. worldwar : to over throw the power of the zar and create a atheistic communist state
2.worldwar: to originate between great britain and germany .to strengthen communism as antithesis to judeo-cristian culture and bring about a zionist state in israel
3.worldwar: a Middle eastern War involving Judaiism and Islam and spreading international
that plan he wrote 1871 !!!!!
thanks alot guys ,what the fuck is really going on ?????? is that not exactly what happened tilnow ????
i dont know what you think about that ,but it scares the hell out of me
according to that plan ,we are right in schedule of Worldwar 3 !
that is one reason i made that video ,because i realised that my vision of peace and freedom ,for a dancing world is going the toilet down ,if this pll get their dream come true!
sorry if that video is not perfect ,but i can make a track, that is 1 week long and it will not have enough space to put all evil goverments and leaders inside . it was made to get ppl to wake up and start to research for themself . the mass media is not giving out this kind of information ,they are part of this plot ,but the information is there ,written by the same guys that play that game ! because over all ,this ppl are arrogant and believe nothing can stop them anyway. Everybody should try to find information ,i am shure theer is much more lies to discover .
istill want a better world ,where you can grow your weed and dance your way true live ,but a peacefull coexsisting with them , will be not possible !
the truth will set us free
shivajoerg
another statement of pike :
We shall unleash the nihilist and the atheists ,and we shall provoke a formidable social catalysm witch in its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism,orgin of savagery and the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere,citizens ,obliged to defend themself against the minority of revolutionaries , will exterminate those distroyers of civilisations,and the multitude,disillusioned with Christianity ....will recieve the pure light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer ....the distruction of christianity and atheism.Both conquered and exterminated at the same time
albert pike 33degree mason
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keystone
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 15:19
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WOW WOW WOW........... Glad to see it baba, What an EYE openner.......The message is out, now it is time for awareness for all..... lol |
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 15:45
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On 2006-01-30 23:19, Shawnodese wrote:
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On 2006-01-30 23:14, psy^soldier wrote:
Shawnodese
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what you say also can be said to jorg himself
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I say what I have to say and I trust Joerg dus the same...I'm not telling u what to do either right? And for your information, Joerg asked me to post things in this topic because I'm good in english and he has problems to express himself properly in engish so.....I'm saying what I feel i gotta say, with full support of Joerg on top of it....so go chill dude !
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mate, that was a very aggressive post! Talking about tone...
Always good to check yourself before you give advice- do you yourself follow it 
As for the subject itself. The clip is nice, music is also nice, very jumpy. Content-wise, I do not like it that much, I think it is oversimplifying and delivers a very one-sided America-is-evil message. It is also violent and aggressive, and in this way just doubles the voilence and aggression, which I feel and believe are the real sources of the problems we're having. I didn't check all those links and I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories. I tend to believe things that happen in the world are a lot less coordinated and a lot more chaotic than the way these theories tend to make them. That does not mean, however, that there are not things happening in the world that a lot of us tend to miss. But the way, for me, to be able to be aware of these things, is to observe and think. Get facts, check and double check them, get the facts that say otherwise (there always there, it is people who present the facts after all), think and feel deep for yourself, observe people and the world around you, look for patterns in the chaos, and make your conclusions. And always keep your mind open.
The world is all around us and it's happening all the time. We are part of it and we can make it happen differently.
And Jorg baba- we'll keep on dancing
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 18:20
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Shiva Joerg, I know and respect you as a pioneer on this scene, as a DJ who guides a journey, as a person who believes in what he is doing.
But I think that linking Atheism or any other form of believe or non believe, with "origin of savagery and the most bloody turmoil" is REALLY NOT wise.
People who don't believe in God or Energy or Magic or Soul or Spirit or anything else still have feelings and conscience. They also have reason and discernment. They are human beings, and human being should not be judged by what they believe. If anyone wants to judge people (which I don't recommend), do it individually by their attitudes and actions.
@Shawnodese I believe you meant not to attack, my previous post was mainly to explicit that words, in these political debates, usually are used (and interpreted) in a more aggressive way, so we need to use caution when exposing our ideias about this kind of issue in order to avoid being misunderstood.
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Surrender
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 02:37
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On 2006-01-31 14:52, shivajoerg wrote:
...just the last years i did research for my self ,since friends told me about illuminati ,freemason , skull and bones and secret organisations and their plans to control the planet .first i didnt believe it ,but than i studied the books ,of their heroes ,their teachers !the rest of this stuff is as flaky as that and what i saw was very shocking to me . there is this 33 degree Mason Albert Pike teaches his followers , how to control others and whats the best way in doing so ...
so he tells them , to create theses and antitheses , create the communists and create the nazis (only one example ) let them hate each other and make war ,out of the total destruction you can go a step further to a global goverment !
he even gave a plan about three worldwars ,to reach ther goal of global domination :
1. worldwar : to over throw the power of the zar and create a atheistic communist state
2.worldwar: to originate between great britain and germany .to strengthen communism as antithesis to judeo-cristian culture and bring about a zionist state in israel
3.worldwar: a Middle eastern War involving Judaiism and Islam and spreading international
that plan he wrote 1871 !!!!!
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Joerg, do some more research mate... i dont know who this pike fellow was, but some of this info that has turned your world upside down doesnt make much sense.
The term "Zionism" was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum. it was also not until the 1880's and later that jews starting immigrating in larger numbers via BILU or other organizations. T. Hertzel was only born in 1860. if that guy indeed published that plan in 1871, not only does it mean he possesed the ability to see the future, but he also had the ability to invent terms 19 years before their official time.
if i just did that in about 5 minutes... maybe you should research more?
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 04:24
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I wonder why this "secret" 1871 plan of Albert Pike can be found with one click on Google. Sounds like more food for the gullible.. And there are a lot of gullible among us, it seems..
Skull and Bones is nothing but an 1337 college fraternity, based in ONE college (and not the one Albert Pike went to ). Also it elects automatically people like the editor in chief of the college newspaper and the captain of the baseball team (GWBush) and other campus bigwigs. It's NOT what you think it is. ..it's just another party.. |
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shivajoerg
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 04:43
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i did research this well enouph i think ! this plan pike wrote to another guy masini in 1871!
this dokument was untill resently haenging in the british museum ,till they took it away ! but not befor several ppl pictured it !!!!
pike wrote the kind of guidebook for skottisch freemason .he is holdet up by them as the greatest visionary of all times.
and my friend i dint say that anythink make sence here .
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 04:57
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and secret plans of history are to be found hanging openly in the British museum? come on now..
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Bob Lob Law
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 10:49
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ok i think some of u guys here totally forgot how goa parties and goa trance was originated....
first of all big respect to joerg and fredrick[neuromotor] for having the guts to speak out.
now,as some of us remember goa culture was originated by hippies who were sick with the way things were in the world who migrated mostly from the u.s but also from the rest of the world to goa after the psychedelic revolution in the 60`s and there was born the goa party vibe....and now try to remember the reasons these hippies migrated to goa and then u might realize that the whole goa party vibe is based on people who didnt want to be a part of the sick plan of the system`s agenda and left to goa to express their uniqueness....and now the scene and the vibe overgrew goa and slowly taking over the world for yet another psychedelic revolution..were back and were here to RePsychle this planet..Psychedelic Trance is the only music out there that focuses on the fact that theres much more than this 5 sense reality,unlike all the rest like your usual rap/hip-hop/rock/country/etc..etc..they all speak of love/emotions/violence/sex/etc..etc..which are all illusions that lock u to this 5 sense reality,which some of us know is an illusion we all create subconsiously.what u see in this video however is not what u would see on your usual tv news or CNN or whatever they are just repeating what the government sources are telling them to repeat just look at who owns the company and then ull know that the information u get out of it is what they want u to know its that simple,just like the fact that illuminati puppets like dear old henry kissinger own most of the magazines and news outlest in the u.s.a and the rest of the world,just prooves that the information u get is only what they want u to have,same thing with movies..just look at the companies that release these movies and who owns them..then ull see the information presented in it might be a bit more than some sci-fi or some kids movie[might sound crazy and overbored but check it out for yourselves mates]
as for those of u who said that it would be scary or terrifying to dance to these samples..we all danced to much scarier samples so stop being such pussies.
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Bob Lob Law
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 11:23
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and p.s....
everything in the video is factual and proovable u just need to research a bit more i would suggest u get right on it..and another thing mates talking about these subjects might be scary but is not negative..igrnorance is negative,when ur in ignorance of something u can be manipulated with no problem when ur in awareness of it its a different story.
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 15:04
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Jan Van Helsing -Geheimgesellschaften.Und.Ihre.Macht.Im.20.Jahrhundert
Check out this book, it is forbitten in germany, if u interested in who made the plans for ruling the world. U can download it via most p2p networks.
It is interesting, but i can't say if there are any true informations in it. Coz the second part deals with the nazis which still fly around with their UFOs.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 1, 2006 21:32
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i think we should start our psychedelic FOX News for die-hard dogmatics.
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Feb 2, 2006 01:28
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Joerg, do some more research mate... i dont know who this pike fellow was, but some of this info that has turned your world upside down doesnt make much sense.
The term "Zionism" was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum. it was also not until the 1880's and later that jews starting immigrating in larger numbers via BILU or other organizations. T. Hertzel was only born in 1860. if that guy indeed published that plan in 1871, not only does it mean he possesed the ability to see the future, but he also had the ability to invent terms 19 years before their official time.
if i just did that in about 5 minutes... maybe you should research more?
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Hehe...doesn't the fact that you did only about 5 minutes of checking proove that YOU should do some more research m8 
As if ur website is suddenly the absolute truth again and all what Joerg or others say is absolute nonsense....I'm not saying either one of you is right or wrong, but maybe ur a bit to convinced of always being right m8 !
About that "very agressive" post that I put according to Shahar....I'm sorry if it looked like that but I had no clue that you as an Israeli would be intimidated that easily ! No harm meant but the guy was sticking his nose in business that wasn't his.....but apologies for the tone of it and point taken ! Always good to learn and progress....so thx !  Mind Funk Records
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