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Shiva Joerg - The Illuminati (video clip )
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 28, 2006 11:51
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On 2006-01-28 11:28, Shawnodese wrote:
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On 2006-01-27 11:28, Pavel wrote:
No worries man, i live 5km away from the Gaza strip. Once or twice a week i hear the alarm that informs me that there's a palestinian flying kettle on my way.
I don't think i need this sort of silly videos to tell me about who is GWB and what hazard his irrational politics brings to my region. But it's always nice to know that there are people like Jorg in Germany (or is it Japan nowadays?) that produce this kind of silly videos to entertain me. Yawn x 2.
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First of all the movies are not made to entertain you....they're made to inform those who need or want that...just for your information. Next to that nobody said you need these video's either so I don't really get your point there once more, nobody asked you either to watch 'm. Last in row you sure seem not to have learned a damn thing about that war going on in your country at all. Arrogance seems to blind your clear vision and non-caring and ignorance are in a proper 2nd place....but hell....why would you care right? Hope your Nintendo/Playstation brings u more entertainment and makes you yawn less....have a nice day !   
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With all the respect to you, to Jorg and to whomever pushed some buttons to create the video i don't really think that any of you understand better the situation in the middle east than me. It's really cool to hear your opinion and we both stand behind the theory that Bush is an idiot who tries to conquer the world in the name of god (or whatever). What makes me laugh and feel entertained about this video is that i think that the pure political value of it is miniscule. All i see is a cynical attempt to draw attention to the artist that created it. I really doubt that Jorg with all his long career in psy trance and years of great music really needs this kind of promotion. I think it's a bit shallow to gain promotion over such an issue.
And btw, I don't have Nintendo i don't have PS and i don't have a TV as well.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 28, 2006 12:23
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i am not a fan of sensationalism, i think it's one of the causes of the situation as it is, and this video plays into it whole-heartedly. there's some interesting parts in it, but also so much fantasy bull-#$%^, argh. fanning the flames of ignorance in (mostly) young kids, playing up to people's fears isn't going to accomplish much good, just keep the ignorant in the basement and keep reinforcing the situation, imo.
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jan 28, 2006 13:37
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I am sorry, but I didn't find this video either interesting or informative. I'm actually more shocked that so many of you find it enlightening, than I am shocked over the actual content.
Yes, it's a rotten world we're living in, and I read about, and watch this stuff in the newspapers and the news on TV all the time - just don't see why it suddenly gets so revolutionary just because it's suddenly connected with a killlllargh bassline, evil bom shankar voice-samples and the number 666 flashing on the screen a few times. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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Satyr
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Posted : Jan 28, 2006 13:47
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nice one jorg *
even tho' i think these images merely scratch the surface
of 'whats really going on out there', it's still good
to shake-n-wake up some of the zzzleepy spacecases;
it's still good to start with, to free yourself
from global mental slavery,
as true freedom and peace
start in your heart
in your mind.
then again, it's just too easy to point at little boy bush,
who is just a puppet, as is his father, a pawn on the chessboard,
put there by the buddies of his grandfather, prescott bush,
and activated by the most longlived conspiracy in human history.
.. but i wont go too deep into this, as the full story
gets kinda ""political"" and may not be too tasty
for everyone out here *
btw: if u want to see a bigger part of the full story,
try to get your eyes on the 4part GBC documentary "The Illuminati"
where quite some of the footage for this clip came from.
- ask questions, demand answers!
:: dont let his story outweigh our history ::
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 28, 2006 15:14
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On 2006-01-28 13:37, pr0fane wrote:
I am sorry, but I didn't find this video either interesting or informative. I'm actually more shocked that so many of you find it enlightening, than I am shocked over the actual content.
Yes, it's a rotten world we're living in, and I read about, and watch this stuff in the newspapers and the news on TV all the time - just don't see why it suddenly gets so revolutionary just because it's suddenly connected with a killlllargh bassline, evil bom shankar voice-samples and the number 666 flashing on the screen a few times.
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Exactly my thoughts.
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 28, 2006 22:13
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I liked the video simply because I liked the music and the samples and the way the samples and images were syncronized.
This clip won't change the world, (I hope) we're all more or less aware of what's going on with our planet, no need to discuss the politics of the clip here.
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 29, 2006 15:15
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Can anyone post a direct link to the file?
I would like to see this video.
There are already thousands of bush bashing clips in the net, so nothing new, but maybe interesting to know it to be able to talk also about it.
I expect not much so it can only be fun
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etnarama
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 15:22
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wsantos
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 15:56
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On 2006-01-28 22:13, full_on wrote:
I liked the video simply because I liked the music and the samples and the way the samples and images were syncronized.
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Exactingly what i think.
I really liked the videoclip... the music are totally killer!! Nice production. |
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Surrender
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 21:27
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i find the ideas in this video and the delivery a bit childish, irresponsible and full of hate. i find it hard to believe as an adult in the the existance of the devil, antichrist, or whatever else folklore and religious ideas are presented here as facts to counter against with the video. at no point in the video was the author even remotely suggesting any alternative to life on this planet. he even included pictures of the opposition to bush (j.kerry) in the last elections as part of the same problem.. he included j.mckain as well (who will be the next rep. candidate probably).. i think clinton is there too but i dont feel like wasting my time on this video a 2nd time. according to joerg, bush is the root of all evil..... whats your proof what are you baseing this on? how do you know that the info that u consider as proof is not the same kind of mass-manipulation that also comes from his side? only that your side sounds alot more fanatastic and borderline sci-fi if u ask me.
i live in the us, and didnt vote bush the last 2 elections. dont think for a sec im defending myself or affiliating myself with his agendas. but what you have done here is simply ridiculous... whats your point?
as for the music itself.... well i know its in low quality so its hard to give a serious critique, but it sounded old, overdone and simple... i wouldnt want to be in this trip while dancing and hearing samples like this.... simply terrifying.
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 23:04
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I think that some people who see things that others don't (yet) don't mean that they are borderliners or delusional as you almost literally state it here Surrender. Those who were first with seeing what was about to come with the 2nd world war were also called paranoid and delusional, but were they really? Maybe the fact you can't or don't see it yet has to do with not wanting to accept such things as a possible truth because your mind can't comprehend it at all. That don't mean that people like Joerg are "fanatastic", it's just your personal opinion and nothing more.......In my opinion your attitude shows lack in being open-minded to possibilities which have been investigated by thousands of people worldwide and it has been proven that it's happening. Or don't you believe in things like magic or the occult because you can't proove it and it's all like abracadabra to you? Maybe think a bit more before you post things like you did here because I personal KNOW from many experiences that there is so much more then our 5 "normal" senses notice around us, you would be amazed and surrised and I'm sure the days for you will come sometime that you just might have to alter your point of perception on matters such as these. If you would be less judgemental and indeed spend a bit more time on this subject instead of judging so quickly and calling this video "a waste of your time" about anything that's not according to your line of thinking you might get surprised with the result....
About your first statement that there is no peaceful alternative offered, I agree with you but don't think that's the point of this video. I think anybody that knows Joerg a bit, knows that he's always been like a true warrior of peace and has done a lot for our scene and is always spreading a message of love and light. But....the times of sticking our heads in the sand and calling those who are bringing a warning for things about to come or that are happening a bunch of borderline fanatastic hate promoting freaks....I think that goes way to far dude ! You should watch ur words here, 'cause you seem to completely miss what this case is about. This video is make to shock, to wake people up, to put a strong message to people and to trigger curiousity about subjects that have been stuffed away for way to long for the masses. It's not a full informative documentairy and also not meant as such...it's a videoclip ! Maybe there's better ways of doing this, but then show the proper example instead of pissing in your own pool over people who try to do a good thing to create some consciousness. In my opinion you should give a better example as being one of the main and major moderators here instead of spreading your negative view on this topic and on his music on top of it....shame on ya m8 ! |
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 23:14
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Shawnodese
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what you say also can be said to jorg himself |
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 23:19
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On 2006-01-30 23:14, psy^soldier wrote:
Shawnodese
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what you say also can be said to jorg himself
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I say what I have to say and I trust Joerg dus the same...I'm not telling u what to do either right? And for your information, Joerg asked me to post things in this topic because I'm good in english and he has problems to express himself properly in engish so.....I'm saying what I feel i gotta say, with full support of Joerg on top of it....so go chill dude !
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Surrender
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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 23:39
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you gotta be kidding me, because i dont agree with you put me in the "not open minded enough boat"? learn to accept that there are other opinions that are just as valid as yours.
regarding my criticism: ofcourse its just my opinion, isnt that self evident for i am the poster of my words?!?
why doesnt joerg make a video for the starving children in east africa? how about one for the atrocities commited in the former yoguslavia? what about ruwanda and its mass graves? what about the belgian adventures in central africa? how about a video on the systematic elimination of the kurds by iraq?
there are so many leaders doing so many horrible things to all persons on our planet... much work to do there, but a video like this other then creating more hatered - doesnt do much.
last year after the tsunami - there were many parties and even a compilation for the victims - that is a positive example of love and light and should be mentioned and praised... "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 31, 2006 02:25
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On 2006-01-30 23:04, Shawnodese wrote:
In my opinion your attitude shows lack in being open-minded to possibilities which have been investigated by thousands of people worldwide and it has been proven that it's happening. Or don't you believe in things like magic or the occult because you can't proove it and it's all like abracadabra to you?
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IMO this kind of comment is not necessary, for example, I'm very skeptic and don't believe the things you mentioned, and you sound like are attacking me because of what I believe? (I believe in not believing in what I believe not to exist  )
So it's better for our forum (our beloved community) not to talk about politics if every time we talk about it it ends up in disrespect and bad vibes. (this is not because people are close minded, but because people think different and also because people are people  )
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