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Selling mixed CDs without artists knowing
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DjMelo
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Posted : Mar 11, 2004 22:37
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So some ppl in the US are selling a mixed cd with artists like Astrix, Para Halu, Digital Talk & Scorb for 10$ to make back money they lost on a bad party. Is this ok? Do artists get upset about this kind of thing? What about the lables?
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nobody_3
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Posted : Mar 11, 2004 22:56
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It sound dodgy to me and I would not be happy to see my name on such a mixed CD. It's ok to do promo mixes but to sell them without giving anything back to the artists and labels are not a nice things to do.
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dj jaimz
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Posted : Mar 12, 2004 03:12
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If they are making money from it (which it sounds like they are doing), then they are in violation of the copyrights. Well, actually I think if you give out promo mixes you're in violation of copyrights anyway, but usually it's ok because you're promoting yourself and the music. In this case it's a simply matter of someone making money from someone else's work (both the label and the artist) without any of the money going to the label or artist.
That said, I think you'll find some of the artists and labels involved wouldn't mind as long as they ask their permission. Artists like Astrix (and his label) would most likely not be cool with it and would want some money to be paid for the licenese, but artists like Para Halu and Digital Talk would no doubt appreciate the exposure and be supportive. This is not to say Astrix is not supportive, it's just that he is no longer in a position where he needs to promote himself for free. |
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Scorb
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Posted : Mar 12, 2004 21:51
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Yeah, i saw the mix CD you were referring to and i thought it was pretty cheeky that they were using one of my tracks. As far as copyright goes i've yet to meet a trance artist that clears their samples simply because none of this music generates enough commercial value to make it worthwhile anyone suing!
I'm not too bothered by it anyway! I would be more annoyed if someone got hold of an unreleased track and "sold" that unofficially. At least the artists have made some money out of the tracks on this CD already.
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psunspot
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Posted : Mar 14, 2004 06:35
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hey, i just wanted to add some more info about this.
DjMelo neglected to mention that this promoter was given this mix BY Digital Talk to help him cover expenses after bringing them to play in Seattle.
Digital Talk made this mix expressly to help cover those costs. It's being sold to people in the NW USA scene, most of whom already supported the party. the promoter is not 'making' any money on it, just trying to lose less from the show. It was incredibly daring to bring in some newer artists to the USA. do you know what a $ risk it is to try to bring in artists to NW USA that aren't IM? shit, every other party loses money almost...Ticon, Psysex, Deedrah all lost money...even big names dont make it here. small names with good music, don't stand a chance. this promoter has been throwing parties for the 3 years i've lived in oregon, and probably longer, so i don't think he's bad at promoting-as bad promoters don't last years in this scene. so please dont imply that he doesnt know what he's doing.
IMO artist would be happy to keep a promoter out of debt if it meant getting to come play at parties. it's not like artist make much from tracks anyway, they make a lot more playing at parties-usually for cash too (btw-i wonder if most artist declare that income for their taxes???)
i think it was really awesome that Digital Talk cared enough to try and help.
Scorb i appreciate your understanding too. i think when this question is given the proper context, people will understand.
THERE IS NO MONEY TO BE MADE IN PSYTRANCE PARTIES IN USA!!! we all just try not to lose too much, and in this case, the artists who came and played and got payed by the promoter are trying to help him lose less.
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waater
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 19:26
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Hello, a friend of mine directed me towards this link about the mix cd.
Well, first off, we had an excellent gathering here in Seattle for this party.however, the loss more came from the numbers moreso than the energy. We had put in over 3800$ into throwing this party and ended up making back somewehre around the of the 1200 mark. One of the main problems with what had happened is that we did have much promotion via hand-outs/flyers.
This ended up being a moreso word of mouth/email/lists sort of gathering. We had hoped to have at least 250, but we ended up with somewhere around 120-140..a nice intimate general seattle gathering with a large perspective of many different people coming together (which was my main goal for this party, to bring people of many different cultures dancing together for the full moon and a day of holi, basically giving us reasons to blow coloured powders at each other!).
In these happenings...we were able to cover our expenses ...but our losses were quite a bit much & we do have some debt that we need to pay back. We brainstormed ways that we could make money back ina positive manner and came up with other ways so as such things will not happen in the future.
Thus, I was speaking with Julien & Luc (digital.talk), and they mentioned the ideas of selling mix cds in order to benefit so we can continue. The summer is coming up and we want to bring more artists and bring more people to our land...
In fact, Scorb, you were one of the people I was wanting to get in touch with about coming to the US
I sent an email off to deviant species in search of you..which now i have contact as of last week..hehe
As said before by psunspot, we are still small and communitive...I believe the largest open-air consisted of maybe around 1000 for a trancedance gathering...and even than..that was an oddity.
We do not necessarily think that we will make all of our money back, but some would be a positive experience, some positive music for a growing community.
I did'nt really think of this being an issue..considering we are generally asking a 5-10 dollar donation for the mix...
So I/we are sorry if we may have caused any disreguard from other artists & in no way are trying to make a quick buck off of anyone. Moreso, just trying to pay some friends back & steer the gears back in a forthgoing progression.
feel free to browse our website and maybe see what we are about...its been in flux a bit more lately & does not have much ...but we hope to better our website soon as well:
http://www.environmentalstructures.net
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DjMelo
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Posted : Mar 15, 2004 23:31
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On 2004-03-11 22:56, Elysium Project wrote:
It sound dodgy to me and I would not be happy to see my name on such a mixed CD. It's ok to do promo mixes but to sell them without giving anything back to the artists and labels are not a nice things to do.
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I see it the same way as Elysium Project. I think it is nice to try to make back the money but why did Digital Talk not do a mix of Digital Talk music? Why use peoples music without contacting them? It is nice that you have partys in the US but you should not sell music that is not made by you. Ever.
~namaste~ Back atcha  |
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DjMelo
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 00:19
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On 2004-03-16 00:10, The`insane boy wrote:
One thing to say.
......Fuck the fucking fuckers..!!
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#Bomz
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I want hear how artists feel about this. Perhaps without the "F" word |
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Maska
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 02:07
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I think Scorb had the best open minded response to this thread. At first read, I jumped on the "that's so wrong bandwagon", but in listening to all sides, I realized that I was wrong......
I honestly think they did nothing wrong.......I am a bigger fan of Digital Talk because of this. .....I think we are a world wide family and Families help each other......Some may read this and say, "get out of dream world". But all I can say to that is
DIGITAL TALK rules and they are truly my brothers even more so now.
I see nothing but Peace, love and trance in what they did. No profit, means no wrong.......Just spreading the positive vibes in the northwest and more power to them.........Now if they had used unreleased music, that would be a different story.....
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waater
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 04:42
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Actually, there are 2-3 unreleased tracks from there new album included within the mix
the mix has a good story |
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Dance N Dust
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Posted : Mar 16, 2004 14:50
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they selling it on the flee market in goa as well for
5-7 u.s
they doing it for years naw...
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aje
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 00:09
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djsid
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 07:53
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On 2004-03-15 23:31, DjMelo wrote:
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On 2004-03-11 22:56, Elysium Project wrote:
It sound dodgy to me and I would not be happy to see my name on such a mixed CD. It's ok to do promo mixes but to sell them without giving anything back to the artists and labels are not a nice things to do.
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I see it the same way as Elysium Project. I think it is nice to try to make back the money but why did Digital Talk not do a mix of Digital Talk music? Why use peoples music without contacting them? It is nice that you have partys in the US but you should not sell music that is not made by you. Ever.
~namaste~ Back atcha
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IMHO: if u think that then perhaps we shud only spin music made by us..we shud not be allowed to spin other ppls music..afterall the party people didnt pay for those tracks n nuthin is goin to the artists even tho 100 ppl are trippin on his music at a party in india...
heh get a life!
aGh0Ri TanTriK
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djsid
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Maska
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Posted : Mar 17, 2004 18:28
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On 2004-03-16 04:42, waater wrote:
Actually, there are 2-3 unreleased tracks from there new album included within the mix
the mix has a good story
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I meant unreleased from other artists more than them......
assumption is the mother of all fuckups. |
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